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Old 07-03-2022, 08:59 PM
 
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In Ireland, fetal heartbeat laws prevent doctors from performing abortions or inducing miscarriages unless they could prove there was a threat to the mother's life. 31-year-old Savita Halappanavar died from a wanted pregnancy because, while doctors determined miscarriage was inevitable, they were too afraid of breaking the law to induce the miscarriage. Savita died of septic shock and multiple organ failure.



In Nicaragua, 22-year-old Olga Reyes died after languishing in pain at the hospital for hours due to an ectopic pregnancy. Ectopic pregnancies, by the way, are never viable, but the ban on abortion and potential prison sentences they faced made doctors fearful to treat her.


https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna21601045

In El Salvador, 33-year-old Manuela didn't have an abortion, she fell ill, went to the hospital, and miscarried.
Instead of receiving care after the traumatic experience, she was handcuffed to her hospital bed and was charged with homicide, despite the fact that it is typically impossible to tell the difference between an
induced" miscarriage and a "natural" miscarriage.
Manuela died two years later of cancer while in prison.


https://www.theguardian.com/global-d...er-miscarriage


In Poland, 30-year-old Izabela died after her water broke early at 22 weeks. Despite it being legal in Poland to conduct an abortion in cases where the mother's life is in danger, doctors feared they wouldn't be able to prove this, and wanted to wait for the baby's heart to stop inside of Izabela. Despite her pleas for help, Izabela died, and she left behind her nine-year-old daughter.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...poland-debate/

Poland, like the U.S, once allowed for abortion, but in 2021 enacted basically a total ban. As we learned from Izabela's story, even though it has "exceptions" for the life of the mother, when doctors can face severe legal repercussions, they may delay treatment until it's too late.

And now, they have a pregnancy registry, which can be used to track women who are pregnant and potentially investigate or imprison women whose pregnancies end in miscarriage, much like the case of Manuela in El Salvador.

In Brazil, abortion is illegal, and while there are exceptions for rape or risk to the mother's life, the far-right Bolsonaro government has introduced a regulation that requires doctors to gather evidence and report to the police anyone who comes to them for an abortion after being raped. Human Rights Watch points out this is clearly meant to discourage rape survivors from seeking abortions, fearing arrest if the investigation finds
that they weren't really raped.
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Old 07-03-2022, 09:56 PM
 
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Oh my God, how horrible.
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Old 07-04-2022, 02:21 AM
 
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States better get a move on in developing their own plans of action then shouldn't they?
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Old 07-04-2022, 02:54 AM
 
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In Ireland, fetal heartbeat laws prevent doctors from performing abortions or inducing miscarriages unless they could prove there was a threat to the mother's life. 31-year-old Savita Halappanavar died from a wanted pregnancy because, while doctors determined miscarriage was inevitable, they were too afraid of breaking the law to induce the miscarriage. Savita died of septic shock and multiple organ failure.





In Nicaragua, 22-year-old Olga Reyes died after languishing in pain at the hospital for hours due to an ectopic pregnancy. Ectopic pregnancies, by the way, are never viable, but the ban on abortion and potential prison sentences they faced made doctors fearful to treat her.


https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna21601045

In El Salvador, 33-year-old Manuela didn't have an abortion, she fell ill, went to the hospital, and miscarried.
Instead of receiving care after the traumatic experience, she was handcuffed to her hospital bed and was charged with homicide, despite the fact that it is typically impossible to tell the difference between an
induced" miscarriage and a "natural" miscarriage.
Manuela died two years later of cancer while in prison.


https://www.theguardian.com/global-d...er-miscarriage


In Poland, 30-year-old Izabela died after her water broke early at 22 weeks. Despite it being legal in Poland to conduct an abortion in cases where the mother's life is in danger, doctors feared they wouldn't be able to prove this, and wanted to wait for the baby's heart to stop inside of Izabela. Despite her pleas for help, Izabela died, and she left behind her nine-year-old daughter.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...poland-debate/

Poland, like the U.S, once allowed for abortion, but in 2021 enacted basically a total ban. As we learned from Izabela's story, even though it has "exceptions" for the life of the mother, when doctors can face severe legal repercussions, they may delay treatment until it's too late.

And now, they have a pregnancy registry, which can be used to track women who are pregnant and potentially investigate or imprison women whose pregnancies end in miscarriage, much like the case of Manuela in El Salvador.

In Brazil, abortion is illegal, and while there are exceptions for rape or risk to the mother's life, the far-right Bolsonaro government has introduced a regulation that requires doctors to gather evidence and report to the police anyone who comes to them for an abortion after being raped. Human Rights Watch points out this is clearly meant to discourage rape survivors from seeking abortions, fearing arrest if the investigation finds
that they weren't really raped.



You are assigning motive to the doctors when no one except the doctors know what their motives were.

Sometimes **** goes wrong.

I'm guessing in El Salvador and Nicaragua, **** goes wrong a lot!
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Old 07-04-2022, 03:58 AM
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I'm going to say there is more to each of these stories but the OP just believes what the news presents.
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Old 07-04-2022, 04:09 AM
 
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In Ireland, fetal heartbeat laws prevent doctors from performing abortions or inducing miscarriages unless they could prove there was a threat to the mother's life. 31-year-old Savita Halappanavar died from a wanted pregnancy because, while doctors determined miscarriage was inevitable, they were too afraid of breaking the law to induce the miscarriage. Savita died of septic shock and multiple organ failure.
The Savita Halappanavar case happened in 2012, however the RoIi changed it's laws in 2018, thereby allowing terminations where the mothers life is at risk. Abortion is also now legal in the RoI up to the the 12 week mark.

The Irish have a history of just talking the ferry or flight to Liverpool in England in order to get abortions up to 24 weeks, so the law never really worked and still doesn't, however the new legislation regarding mothers at risk was a sensible move in order to protect the lives of women whose health was at risk.
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