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Old 07-04-2022, 10:16 AM
 
Location: Sammamish, WA
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California, Massachusetts, and New York all rank toward the bottom in terms of road quality.

REPORT: New York ranks among states with the worst roads
https://www.news10.com/news/ny-news/...e-worst-roads/

Massachusetts has some of the worst roads in America, ConsumerAffairs report says
https://www.masslive.com/news/2021/1...port-says.html

Here’s How Bad California Roads Are Ranked In The U.S.
https://www.iheart.com/content/2021-...ked-in-the-us/


The top 10 states with the best highways are mostly conservative states:

Top 10 States With the Best Roads and Highways
https://missionfinancialservices.net...-and-highways/


What excuses do NY, MA, and CA offer for having such crummy road infrastructure?
They are high tax states that collect plenty in tax revenue. Why are they not investing more toward improving road infrastructure?
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Old 07-04-2022, 10:24 AM
 
Location: Michigan
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California, Massachusetts, and New York all rank toward the bottom in terms of road quality.

REPORT: New York ranks among states with the worst roads
https://www.news10.com/news/ny-news/...e-worst-roads/

Massachusetts has some of the worst roads in America, ConsumerAffairs report says
https://www.masslive.com/news/2021/1...port-says.html

Here’s How Bad California Roads Are Ranked In The U.S.
https://www.iheart.com/content/2021-...ked-in-the-us/


The top 10 states with the best highways are mostly conservative states:

Top 10 States With the Best Roads and Highways
https://missionfinancialservices.net...-and-highways/


What excuses do NY, MA, and CA offer for having such crummy road infrastructure?
They are high tax states that collect plenty in tax revenue. Why are they not investing more toward improving road infrastructure?
Massachusetts is usually in the mid-thirties among the 50 states in terms of tax burden. https://taxfoundation.org/tax-burden...more%20rows%20

But one reason MA's roads are so bad is the climate. A lot of conservative states don't have the winters and other conditions that make caring for roads touch and expensive. It was also settled so early much of its infrastructure is older. It also tends to spend more than other states on education, for example. https://www.statista.com/statistics/...ture-by-state/

Not an excuse, just an explanation as I see it as a resident of MA.
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Old 07-04-2022, 10:30 AM
 
Location: Sammamish, WA
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But one reason MA's roads are so bad is the climate.
NH and VT have the same climate as MA, yet their roads are in much better shape (NH has no personal income tax or sales tax).

Also, CA's climate is fantastic in most areas of the state and the state has a huge budget surplus, probably from collecting so much in tax revenue, yet the roads are still crummy.
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Old 07-04-2022, 10:34 AM
 
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NY is terrible. It’s appalling.
NY taxes you into near poverty and you get nothing in return.
The roads are an abomination.
A large percentage of taxes go to public salaries and public assistance.
So the actual hardworking citizens basically work to afford leeching public servants and lazy degenerates a comfortable lifestyle. It’s sickening.
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Old 07-04-2022, 10:38 AM
 
Location: Seattle
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Having nice roads is racist.
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Old 07-04-2022, 10:41 AM
 
Location: Michigan
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NH and VT have the same climate as MA, yet their roads are in much better shape (NH has no personal income tax or sales tax).

Also, CA's climate is fantastic in most areas of the state and the state has a huge budget surplus, probably from collecting so much in tax revenue, yet the roads are still crummy.

I have to drive the MA roads and they are generally bad. You won't find me disagreeing. It just seems like there are a whole lot of factors to take into consideration. Besides climate. MA has far, far, far more traffic and therefore wear and tear than either NH or VT. And states without income taxes like NH still get their revenue, it just comes from different sources. In NH, business profit tax is the biggest contributor, which means goods and services are more expensive for residents. https://nhfpi.org/resource/revenue-i...venue-sources/ Also, Massachusetts has a much more robust public transportation system than either NH or VT. I'm not discussing CA simply because I am less familiar with it. I did live there for three years, but that was back in the early 90s and I didn't have a car.
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Old 07-04-2022, 10:42 AM
 
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Having nice roads is racist.
Probably. In NY, some of the roads were designed to be racist, because they didn’t have on/off ramps to the ‘hoods. Yes, that is an actual argument in NY.
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Old 07-04-2022, 10:45 AM
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Location: Dallas, TX
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Real Estate Tax Rates State

The chart below has them in order from lowest rates to highest population. Posting only the 10 most populous states.

California: 0.76%
Texas: 1.80%
Florida: 0.89%
New York: 1.72%
Pennsylvania: 1.58%
Illinois: 2.27%
Ohio: 1.56%
North Carolina: 0.84%
Georgia 0.92%
Michigan: 1.54%

Note well that only Illinois exceeds Texas' property tax rate on this list. Only Illinois' is higher.

Maybe the Lone Star State's new monicker should be TAXES!
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Old 07-04-2022, 10:52 AM
 
Location: Michigan
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Real Estate Tax Rates State

The chart below has them in order from lowest rates to highest population. Posting only the 10 most populous states.

California: 0.76%
Texas: 1.80%
Florida: 0.89%
New York: 1.72%
Pennsylvania: 1.58%
Illinois: 2.27%
Ohio: 1.56%
North Carolina: 0.84%
Georgia 0.92%
Michigan: 1.54%

Note well that only Illinois exceeds Texas' property tax rate on this list. Only Illinois' is higher.

Maybe the Lone Star State's new monicker should be TAXES!
You have to look at the overall tax burden. Yes, property taxes in TX are high. But it has no personal income tax. So, just as my example of NH earlier, Texas has a higher property tax than most to account for having no personal income tax. But overall, it ranks #6 among states in tax burden according to the Tax Foundation (#1 being lowest/best). https://taxfoundation.org/center/global-tax-policy/
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Old 07-04-2022, 11:13 AM
 
Location: FL & NC
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Having driven throughout most of this country I have found one thing to be typically true. Cities have crap roads. Here in FL I live in the suburbs and our roads are pretty nice, however if you get into more populated areas like Miami Beach they have horrible roads. Up in NC in the boonies where we have a cabin the roads are pretty nice, drive to the nearest "big" town and the road get considerably worse.

That being said some states have considerably worse roads all over, the two that come to mind immediately are Louisiana and South Carolina. Now LA I believe is one of the poorest states and while SC is also poor it seems to be around the same as NC and NC has much better roads. So I guess long story short, there are many factors that go into road conditions, one of which is probably tax revenue, but not all.
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