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Old 07-05-2022, 07:45 AM
 
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No excuse. Parents check their kids into psychiatric wards every day of the week with no thought of stigma...just getting help and relief for their beloved child. I was one.

This family was weak, lazy, and disengaged. They have blood on their hands.
I do think the parents share some blame in this, granted their son is a 22 year old adult but he was still living in their home and, presumably, was being supported by them. They knew that he was not working, not going to school, not socializing or doing anything a healthy, functional young adult would do. Their son was also not eating properly. For a young man to be 5'11" and 120 pounds along with all of the other red flags is pretty alarming.

How can you live in the same house with your own child and not know that something is extremely wrong with them?

The father must have been a fairly socially adept guy to have run for Mayor and to have operated his own restaurant.

Did they just give up on their son and stop noticing him? If they were that checked out, who taught their kid to drive?
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Old 07-05-2022, 07:46 AM
 
Location: Knoxville, TN
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A. Breakdown of family structures.
B. Forsaking of traditional religions, which provide moral instruction and accountability.
C. Poor leadership, setting poor examples.
Yes, those are all factors in our cultural decline. Absolutely.
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Old 07-05-2022, 07:52 AM
 
Location: sumter
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My question is , why are we see so many young adults going down this path ? Why are they become more and more bat**** crazy ?
Good question, I ask myself that all the time. I can't believe they can't find anything better to do with themselves, and that this is their best and only option. But I guess at that point it's already too late for rational thinking. I also believe one mass shooter inspire the next. Somewhere in this country, the next guy in line is inspired by what he saw.
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Old 07-05-2022, 08:00 AM
 
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I do think the parents share some blame in this, granted their son is a 22 year old adult but he was still living in their home and, presumably, was being supported by them. They knew that he was not working, not going to school, not socializing or doing anything a healthy, functional young adult would do. Their son was also not eating properly. For a young man to be 5'11" and 120 pounds along with all of the other red flags is pretty alarming.

How can you live in the same house with your own child and not know that something is extremely wrong with them?

The father must have been a fairly socially adept guy to have run for Mayor and to have operated his own restaurant.

Did they just give up on their son and stop noticing him? If they were that checked out, who taught their kid to drive?
The tattoos and body weight scream attention. No job or not in school is a big red flag as well. I was told after high school one should be working or in school period. People who do nothing will amount to nothing. People who pulled the I'm going to travel etc were mocked. How did he pay for his car, gun, tech gear for videos etc. If the parent paid for that they should expect more in return like him working a job or attending a school.
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Old 07-05-2022, 08:45 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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The tattoos and body weight scream attention. No job or not in school is a big red flag as well. I was told after high school one should be working or in school period. People who do nothing will amount to nothing. People who pulled the I'm going to travel etc were mocked. How did he pay for his car, gun, tech gear for videos etc. If the parent paid for that they should expect more in return like him working a job or attending a school.
Reportedly, the suspect lived in an apartment in a building owned by his father in an adjacent Northern suburb. His uncle and father also have apartments in the building. Uncle claims there was nothing unusual about his nephew.

Suspect did not work. Appears dad was financially supporting his budding musical artist son or otherwise rationalized enablement.

Uncle described his nephew as a loner and quiet person.
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Old 07-05-2022, 08:56 AM
 
Location: Southeast US
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We have such a huge problem with institutions refusing to report mentally ill people to police or agencies to insure that they are so identified during a firearms purchase background check. We are seeing time and time again, people who were identified as mentally ill, but that mentally ill person's ID and condition were never passed on to the FBI to flag them when they come up on the firearm purchase background check.

What good is a background check if schools and work places won't get in touch with the appropriate agencies?

Maybe they have to be diagnosed by a doctor as mentally ill. If that is the case, then what chance is there to identify all of these mentally ill individuals seeking to buy guns?

We obviously need a much improved system to identify all of the mentally ill people coming up through the system, before they try to buy guns.

I am NOT talking red flag laws, which are broad, sweeping and unfairly deny gun ownership by people who are clearly not mentally ill. Red flag laws are bad and are NOT the answer.
actually, used judiciously, you are talking about red flag laws.
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Old 07-05-2022, 08:59 AM
 
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I do think the parents share some blame in this, granted their son is a 22 year old adult but he was still living in their home and, presumably, was being supported by them. They knew that he was not working, not going to school, not socializing or doing anything a healthy, functional young adult would do. Their son was also not eating properly. For a young man to be 5'11" and 120 pounds along with all of the other red flags is pretty alarming.

How can you live in the same house with your own child and not know that something is extremely wrong with them?

The father must have been a fairly socially adept guy to have run for Mayor and to have operated his own restaurant.

Did they just give up on their son and stop noticing him? If they were that checked out, who taught their kid to drive?
I can't comment on the parenting but I know parenting now is hard. You send your kid to school and they tell them they are a victim. They tell them they can be a female or a male. I know several girls from our group who are now identifying as boys. I see my daughter who is not a very confident girl because she has a slow processing speed. She wasn't very social because she mostly loved to read. But if she were around these misfits, she could be influenced. I can tell. She wants to dye her hair and wear studded this and that. I am lucky that she is not an angry person by nature and no one told her she was a victim her whole life. But I can see that if she goes to college, she could easily gravitate towards a group of oddballs. She tries to meet people by telling their weird hair colors look good. I try to teach her that often the people who don't conform are having issues. She doesn't believe me. Whatever.
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Old 07-05-2022, 09:00 AM
 
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Reportedly, the suspect lived in an apartment in a building owned by his father in an adjacent Northern suburb. His uncle and father also have apartments in the building. Uncle claims there was nothing unusual about his nephew.

Suspect did not work. Appears dad was financially supporting his budding musical artist son or otherwise rationalized enablement.

Uncle described his nephew as a loner and quiet person.
I haven't seen the property in question but I got the impression that it was a house because the uncle mentioned that, while his nephew lived in an attached apartment on the property, he would see his nephew on the computer in the main living area of the house. The uncle said that he had his own bedroom upstairs and his brother, the suspect's dad, lived in the house, as well. It sounded more like a boarding house situation where there were separate bedroom/living spaces but shared common areas, too.

Again, that is just my interpretation of the living arrangements based on what the uncle said.
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Old 07-05-2022, 09:01 AM
 
Location: La Mesa Aka The Table
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I'm tired of this Highland Park talk, highland park is a Suburb "CHICAGO" Period. Stop it with the Classism. My heart goes out to the Victims directly effected by this Tragedy
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Old 07-05-2022, 09:04 AM
 
Location: Cali
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Antifart nut case
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