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National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS)
The National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) system for firearm purchases is used to prevent prohibited individuals from purchasing guns, including mentally ill individuals.
Red flag laws are sued to confiscate firearms from existing gun owners when they are adjudicated by the courts to have become a danger to themselves or their communities after they have already purchased firearms.
"Red-flag laws allow police, family members or even doctors to petition a court to take away someone’s firearms for up to a year if they feel that person is a threat to themselves or others. Nineteen states and the District of Columbia — including two Republican-controlled states, Florida and Indiana — have some form of this law on the books."
Sheriff reports the suspect had two contacts with law enforcement 2019 said he was going to commit suicide. Police were told doctors were treating him which I knew this would be the case. 2nd contact he threated that he was going to kill people he had 60 knives and police removed the weapons. This guy was a known mental case yet nothing was done to stop him from buying guns.
These shooters are younger and younger social media zombies. Gone are the good ol' days of old conspiracy prepper bombers or disgruntled Post office workers and disenfranchised vets.
Absolutely. For an example, these two mass shooters are out free to live their lives , only 10 years after commuting the act. And one, was actually able to purchase a firearm, legally. This is wrong, and what is part of the problem in our society.
In most mass killings, which the FBI defines as any incident in which three or more people are killed, the offenders put on trial are convicted of at least one charge of felony murder. Felons are barred from possessing firearms.
But in the case of the Westside Middle School shooters, they were tried as juveniles, which means they were technically found "delinquent" instead of "guilty," and even though they served time, they came out with sealed records.
The first young lady who came to the mic today from the State Police said that neither an application for nor the actual final 'form'/what ever it is that you have to have to own a firearm there so that there was was essentially no way to 'penalize' him re the knives issue/incident other than taking then away. Further, if he had an application for the form on file, or had had the form or whatever it's called itself, then they could have pulled that/taken that away from him after the knives issue/incident. As it worked out, he didn't put in an application to get, and then later receive the 'form' or whatever it's called until after the knives issue/incident.
FOID card (not ‘form’) was the term I was trying to remember ^^^^^^ (thanks Chuckity…..your post on page 91).
These shooters are younger and younger social media zombies. Gone are the good ol' days of old conspiracy prepper bombers or disgruntled Post office workers and disenfranchised vets.
The first young lady from the State Police early today didn’t mention the under 18 angle, but it does make sense (not as a policy, but as to add additional reason why there wasn’t a record there that would be ‘snagged’).
And now I have to throw up. I was watching Fox News and the coverage of the press conference of the shooting in Highland Park. Disgusting. A repeat of the sickening self congratulatory self praise of the police, DAs, FBI and how they caught the alleged shooter and will do their utmost to assure the safety of the public by giving him the harshest criminal sentence possible. Same BS we heard in Uvalde. Meanwhile he hear story after story about judges letting criminals go and then they commit these crimes. This loser was known to the police. The police were there at the parade. Yet they failed to see an armed gunman climb onto a roof. They failed to provide a security sweep. Why didn't they have police on the roofs? Did they have police there but fail to see anything?
So more claptrap about how the police will protect the people. The government will protect the people and preserve their freedom. That was the other part that made me sick. The hijacking of the July 4 holiday they did. Freedom of the people to live in safety. By banning guns so their freedom to live won't be taken from them. Freedom was to be free from a tyrannical government and burdensome taxation. Freedom of choice to live as we wish. Independence. Not to be forced to adhere to an oppressive government's demands. Demands forced on us by extremists and those who have sold out to foreign powers.
Sorry, not buying any of this BS. And the feds ID's this loser awfully damn quick. MK Ultra, maybe?
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I think he was 17 years old in 2019 for the 2 interactions with police. That would be on juvinile records and might not show up in a background check:[/quote]
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well that needs to change,..lol.
These shooters are younger and younger social media zombies. Gone are the good ol' days of old conspiracy prepper bombers or disgruntled Post office workers and disenfranchised vets.
Why the hell aren't juvenile background checks included? Especially when it has to do with law enforcement, arrests, juvenile detention. What the hell good is any background check for a weapon, any weapon when they don't include the juvenile records that could be and are a red flag to say nope you don't qualify. When it comes to background checks to buy a loaded weapon that can kill you bet your azz we should pull out all the stops and allow juvenile background checks.
I am now thinking if someone of legal age is diagnosed as bipolar when they are a juvenile then it could possibly pass through and not become known as an adult. Because really who is going to say oh yeah um, I'm diagnosed as bipolar but I'm ok for now I'm on meds. Until they go off the meds long enough.
Sheriff reports the suspect had two contacts with law enforcement 2019 said he was going to commit suicide. Police were told doctors were treating him which I knew this would be the case. 2nd contact he threated that he was going to kill people he had 60 knives and police removed the weapons. This guy was a known mental case yet nothing was done to stop him from buying guns.
From what the young lady from the State Police said much earlier today if, at that point above ^^^^^, the suspect had had an application on file to get a FOID card, or already had a FOID card, then the application could have been pulled, or the card taken away from him. But since he had neither an application on file, or an actual/final card, given the other parameters, there was no other action that could be taken. The suspect later applied for the card…..after those incidents.
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