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Alberto Sepulveda (hispanic, not black) was an 11-year old boy who was laying prone on the floor of his own home while it was being raided by the SWAT team (who were looking for his father). A member of the SWAT team shot him in the back and killed him while he was laying on the floor and complying. The officer was cleared of any wrongdoing. This was the second time that this officer was cleared of wrongdoing in a shooting "accident."
As horrible as it was, it was an accident. The officer never intended to shoot him. So this one is off topic.
I’m Irish Caucasian.
I was almost shot by police. Twice. In the same incident.
It was 30 years ago. I’m wondering if the statute is up for filing charges against the cops.
I’m just surprised that you’d give up a full blown constitutional right so easily. What other rights would you give up? lol
This is my opinion. When some people talk about policies that violate Constitutional rights, they speak with the mentality that it will affect "those people" and not themselves.
This is my opinion. When some people talk about policies that violate Constitutional rights, they speak with the mentality that it will affect "those people" and not themselves.
Pretty much. They don't care about the rights of others. They only care about themselves.
Undoubtedly, some black people are paying for the sins of other black people. Then again, some white/Asian people (crime victims) are also paying for the sins of "other" black people.
We are seeing the effects of reduced policing. Black criminals are having a heyday, but people like you don't want proven techniques like "stop and frisk" to be utilized.
Much easier to blame white supremacy for your problems.
I never said we weren't paying. I am talking about people like myself having to pay for someone else's sin. I am asking this, as it applies to policing and only policing: WHY should I be okay with being treated as a threat over what other Black people have done? Why should I be willing to sacrifice Constitutional rights for someone else (not me) to feel secure?
By the way, I have been a victim of Black on Black violence. I got jumped and robbed in a suburban area near a university. It was one of the most heavily policed areas of the county (3 police jurisdictions met where I got robbed: County, municipal, and university police). 3 police jurisdictions meeting, and the thugs didn't care. They drove up from a rougher area. S&F wouldn't have helped because they were in a car while I was on foot. It took place in an apartment complex. I still stand by my stance. S&F is a violation of the 4th Amendment.
Pretty much. They don't care about the rights of others. They only care about themselves.
I've asked several times "Why should I be willing to give up my Constitutional rights for someone else to feel secure"? Not in those exact words, but the same sentiment. I notice hardly any can come up with a straight answer.
I've asked several times "Why should I be willing to give up my Constitutional rights for someone else to feel secure"? Not in those exact words, but the same sentiment. I notice hardly any can come up with a straight answer.
Stop and frisk MAY be interpreted as a violation of the 4th, but that is not set in stone.
Meanwhile, when s&f was utilized in NYC it caused a dramatic drop in crime, which would protect you as well as others.
Stop and frisk MAY be interpreted as a violation of the 4th, but that is not set in stone.
Meanwhile, when s&f was utilized in NYC it caused a dramatic drop in crime, which would protect you as well as others.
Unreasonable search and seizure. If I'm not doing anything suspicious or criminal, LEAVE ME ALONE!! Stop and Frisk uses less than probable cause.
And in NYC, it's not nearly as effective as you claim. Most of the people who got stopped and frisked were not found to be engaging in any criminal activity. The only thing it turned into was alot of people getting their 4th Amendment rights violated. You need probable cause. Most of the stops were based on a hunch. Crime started dropping BEFORE stop and frisk was implemented. The economy was improving in NYC. Gentrification was in full swing. And police were punishing certain QOL crimes like graffiti, subway fare evasion, and the prosecutors were getting tough, actually locking people up for their crimes.
Something else. NYC has some of the strictest gun laws in America. I am a gun owner. Alot of people were being searched for weapons. It is your 2nd Amendment right to have weapon so that you can defend yourself. NYC doesn't seem to be keen on gun rights.
AGAIN, why should I be willing to give up certain rights for someone else's perceived security?
So you argued with the cop. That's your mistake right there. YOu're not going to argue your way out of a ticket or hear them admit they made a mistake. Just be respectful, take the ticket and then argue your case in court.
He asked a question: Why were the cops pulling him over in the first place?
The way I see it, you only pull someone over if they are driving erratically, breaking the law, or actually posing some kind of danger. If the officer is pulling someone over on a hunch, that isn't right.
ITs tough.... as a White Male, i have friends whom i can't control either. They'll end in jail, in the hospital, or both or DEAD~
I can't stop them...and can't worry about it anymore (time is short).
My Advice to any Black Male pursuing happiness in the USA, is to 'Adapt the Western Culture 100%.' Don't have anything to do with groups that resemble or hint at being Communist (you'll eventually get used as a Patsy and Lord only knows, how far you will fall).
Forgo all nonsensical Civil Rights, Black Power, Minority Power Movements; they are Toxic to the core and there's always a power struggle within those back-stabbing Virtue signally groups. Forgo Liberal Ideals of corrupt Politicians; time and time again, they're always selling a Con-Game. Adapt Conservative Family Values... Conservative Reserve Politics.
Most importantly, loose your loser friends. Stay away from Toxic Trouble makers. Get involved in Positive activities; Martial Arts, Exercise, Sports, Hobbies.
If you live in a Democrat City, get the hell out. Run, to a Republican City and State. If you're Black and Conservative, you're GOLD! (YOUR like a Jew-for-Jesus, in a Charismatic Church; Top Shelf).
If you follow the above, you still might experience discrimination, prejudice, hate, etc. But the majority of ppl will accept you and even Welcome you as a Conservative...
Not so with the Left... they'll be looking to back-stab you and throw you under the bus~
Hope you are listening for your sake... Most Ppl can't leave their environment, and end up being subject to it.
There are many things I find wrong with this post. For starters, I am middle class and I come from a middle class family. I've never been part of that "hood" dynamic. I also grew up in a conservative, Republican area, and dealt with plenty of racism growing up. I look at this post and then think about my own experiences. Alot of it doesn't match up.
1) Black American culture is part of Western Culture. I'm not talking about the underclass thug culture of the ghettos. Black American culture is American culture, and therefore, part of Western Culture.
2) It takes very little for a group to be labeled "communist" by some far-right people. If it's not to the far right, it's considered "communist".
3) You cannot tell anyone to forgo civil rights. Radicalism, yes, don't engage in that. However, when it comes to defending civil rights, and one's rights in general, you cannot tell someone they can't engage in that. One is only a generation away from having their rights taken away.
4) Alot of us don't have loser friends or we dump them. I've also learned something else. I can get rid of any losers around me, and still run into prejudice.
5) There are Black people living in Republican cities who are doing poorly. I live in a Republican city and I see plenty of poor Blacks who live here. Oklahoma is a Republican state. Tulsa and Oklahoma City are Republican cities. Oklahoma has one of the worst Black homicide rates in America. Oklahoma also has one of the highest Black imprisonment rates in America (Wisconsin is even worse). To me, political party doesn't matter.
By the way. Is this really about Black happiness, or is this about you wanting Blacks to vote Republican? I ask this because who Blacks vote for gets obsessed about big time on this forum. BTW, I did vote Republican back in 2004. It did not bring me any happiness. Also, we're talking about how some Black people get treated by the police. I don't see how voting Republican and becoming a conservative will make things better.
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