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Old 07-09-2022, 08:14 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Originally Posted by RoyaleWithCheese View Post
The US government is responsible through the drug war. If drugs were completely legal, people would have access to better products and not need to go to the black market for less desirable drugs.
And yet there is an increase of hospitalization of THC related emergencies and lets not forget the opioid epidemic that killed thousands.

Recent research suggests that smoking legal and regulated high-potency marijuana every day could increase the chances of developing psychosis by nearly five times compared to people who have never used marijuana.
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Old 07-09-2022, 08:17 AM
 
Location: Honolulu, HI
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Their body, their choice, right?
Correct. If people want to do drugs, chain smoke, and eat 10,000 calories worth of junk food everyday who are we to tell them otherwise?

Doing fentanyl is illegal. Criminal don’t care and will do it regardless.
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Old 07-09-2022, 08:20 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Actually I think the war on drugs is a massive waste of money. The most expensive and most failed war we have ever fought. I don’t think it’s a winnable war regardless who is president as history has shown quite clearly over the past 60 years.
Your right ... wrong target. Go after the production and packaging, you know disrupt the supply chain. In my world... if you kill my innocent citizens we will kill you back. Borders mean nothing when this is happening. It's a proven simple and effective method to deal with murderers throughout time.
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Old 07-09-2022, 08:21 AM
 
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Fentanyl is poison and it's killing our young people. China's drug manufacturers are making it. Mexico buys it, packages it, delivers it and sells it. All guilty of killing innocent people. Biden is an accessory and enabling all of this to happen, along with his henchman Mayorkas.

If this was bullets made in China, and Mexico was killing Americans with it.... would we do something different? If ever there was a shooting war worth it... this would be it.

IMO... Most of us know someone who was murdered by this poison.
SMH, calling for war with other countries over a crisis created by big pharma and willful participants taking the substance (that has legitimate medical uses I might add).
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Old 07-09-2022, 08:23 AM
 
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Fentanyl is poison and it's killing our young people. China's drug manufacturers are making it. Mexico buys it, packages it, delivers it and sells it. All guilty of killing innocent people. Biden is an accessory and enabling all of this to happen, along with his henchman Mayorkas.

If this was bullets made in China, and Mexico was killing Americans with it.... would we do something different? If ever there was a shooting war worth it... this would be it.

IMO... Most of us know someone who was murdered by this poison.
Thoughts and prayers.

Everybody knows that drugs don't kill people.

People kill people, including themselves.

All drugs should be legal.
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Old 07-09-2022, 08:33 AM
 
Location: Just over the horizon
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Joe Biden created Fentanyl for the purpose of destroying America, so that he can implement socialism.

It’s true.


Don't you guys ever get tired of defending a senile old figurehead, defacto open borders and the free flow of a deadly drug into America that's killing off all the disaffected poor people that you claim to care so much about?!
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Old 07-09-2022, 08:38 AM
 
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And yet there is an increase of hospitalization of THC related emergencies and lets not forget the opioid epidemic that killed thousands.

Recent research suggests that smoking legal and regulated high-potency marijuana every day could increase the chances of developing psychosis by nearly five times compared to people who have never used marijuana.
First, you cant say "recent research suggests" without actually posting links to the research and expect to be believed. You are not posting research if all you are doing is saying "research suggests," you are just posting your opinion.

Second, what happened to individual freedom over collectivism? I hope you voted for collectivism.

Third, I believe full legalization overall would lead to better outcomes. We dont have anywhere near that, not even full marijuana legalization. However, it doesnt have to lead to better outcomes as it is simply a natural right for someone to consume anything they want. Government has no right to stop that even if it leads to worse outcomes. I understand it is hard for collectivists to understand that but people who believe the rights of individuals are more important should.
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Old 07-09-2022, 08:41 AM
 
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I'm okay with allowing folks to ingest/smoke/etc what ever they want. I'm also okay with letting nature take it's course when the over do it, with zero medical intervention.
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Old 07-09-2022, 09:00 AM
 
Location: in my imagination
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As you know I am against almost everything leftist democrat/communist , but solely blaming Biden on this is misplaced except for the fact that his lack of border control only widens the problem.

For those saying "stupid weak people win stupid prizes" and just believing it is always easy to NOT get addicted maybe you should research some people that are addicted and listen and learn their stories , there are are often a multitude of complex reasons that lead a person down the road of addiction and none of them started wanting to be that way.

The U.S.A needs to stop treating addicts as criminals and start treating them as sick people with a health condition, Portugal did that with huge success.

https://www.apa.org/monitor/2018/10/portugal-opioid

https://www.cbc.ca/news2/interactive...iminalization/


here is a link showing what such a small amount is often fatal dose
https://www.gao.gov/products/gao-21-499


Now regarding Fentanyl. It was unregulated in China until 2017, Chinese chemists (and India also) are producing it or at least components to it and are shipping it in the thousands of container ships, or by mail or air, disguised in ordinary shipments, the sheer number of imports makes it a daunting task to control the illicit shipments. Couple the fact that it is also brought in through the Mexican and Canadian borders.

There was once crack cocaine, that was usually smoked but cocaine is no where near as lethal or as addicting as opiates, opiates are often injected which leads to many other health conditions like staph infections and increased spread of HIV and Hepatitis. Government cracked down on illicit opiate pills, which led to increased heroin use, now fentanyl which is many times more addicting and lethal is taking over.

If you think it's not your problem think again. You could be walking your dog or child in your neighborhood, if your pet or child where to pick up a stray package and ingest just a small amount of fentanyl it would lead to a overdose.

Fentanyl and now a more potent version carfentanil is a huge health and security risk to this country. There is a known danger that it could be used as a terrorist weapon also, in 2002 the Russian military used a gas contained carfentanil an opiate 10,000 times more powerful than morphine and 100 times more powerful than fentanyl against Chechen rebels who had taken hostages and the opiate gas killed 120 hostages as well as the terrorists.

https://www.history.com/news/opioid-...hostage-crisis

So fentanyl is a danger to everybody. My opinion is the government needs to be strong against the countries of source, LEO needs to be active in trying to contain it, but as far as the addicted they need support to overcome the addiction that is the only way demand will be curtailed.

Drug dealers are lacing all sorts of other drugs with fentanyl, from marijuana to cocaine to counterfeit opiate pills, and people are dieing because they don't know there is fentanyl in it, why are dealers doing that ? killing their customers?, because they only care about profit today and fentanyl is so addicting they encourage addiction and is cheaper to use than other drugs to sell.

https://khn.org/news/not-yesterdays-...-tainted-drug/
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Old 07-09-2022, 09:12 AM
 
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As you know I am against almost everything leftist democrat/communist , but solely blaming Biden on this is misplaced except for the fact that his lack of border control only widens the problem.

For those saying "stupid weak people win stupid prizes" and just believing it is always easy to NOT get addicted maybe you should research some people that are addicted and listen and learn their stories , there are are often a multitude of complex reasons that lead a person down the road of addiction and none of them started wanting to be that way.

The U.S.A needs to stop treating addicts as criminals and start treating them as sick people with a health condition, Portugal did that with huge success.

https://www.apa.org/monitor/2018/10/portugal-opioid

https://www.cbc.ca/news2/interactive...iminalization/


here is a link showing what such a small amount is often fatal dose
https://www.gao.gov/products/gao-21-499


Now regarding Fentanyl. It was unregulated in China until 2017, Chinese chemists (and India also) are producing it or at least components to it and are shipping it in the thousands of container ships, or by mail or air, disguised in ordinary shipments, the sheer number of imports makes it a daunting task to control the illicit shipments. Couple the fact that it is also brought in through the Mexican and Canadian borders.

There was once crack cocaine, that was usually smoked but cocaine is no where near as lethal or as addicting as opiates, opiates are often injected which leads to many other health conditions like staph infections and increased spread of HIV and Hepatitis. Government cracked down on illicit opiate pills, which led to increased heroin use, now fentanyl which is many times more addicting and lethal is taking over.

If you think it's not your problem think again. You could be walking your dog or child in your neighborhood, if your pet or child where to pick up a stray package and ingest just a small amount of fentanyl it would lead to a overdose.

Fentanyl and now a more potent version carfentanil is a huge health and security risk to this country. There is a known danger that it could be used as a terrorist weapon also, in 2002 the Russian military used a gas contained carfentanil an opiate 10,000 times more powerful than morphine and 100 times more powerful than fentanyl against Chechen rebels who had taken hostages and the opiate gas killed 120 hostages as well as the terrorists.

https://www.history.com/news/opioid-...hostage-crisis

So fentanyl is a danger to everybody. My opinion is the government needs to be strong against the countries of source, LEO needs to be active in trying to contain it, but as far as the addicted they need support to overcome the addiction that is the only way demand will be curtailed.

Drug dealers are lacing all sorts of other drugs with fentanyl, from marijuana to cocaine to counterfeit opiate pills, and people are dieing because they don't know there is fentanyl in it, why are dealers doing that ? killing their customers?, because they only care about profit today and fentanyl is so addicting they encourage addiction and is cheaper to use than other drugs to sell.

https://khn.org/news/not-yesterdays-...-tainted-drug/
I agree with the Portugal approach.

Incidentally, people who sell dried marijuana buds for smoking or vaping are not lacing marijuana with fentanyl. Never happened.

Legalize all drugs and redirect the funds used for arrests and incarceration to education and treatment.

Also, stop lying to people about marijuana being a gateway drug.

The drug war has been an abject failure.
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