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View Poll Results: I support the right to choose
Only for abortion 4 4.40%
Only for vaccines 10 10.99%
For both vaccines and abortion 15 16.48%
For all things, including drugs and prostitution. 62 68.13%
Voters: 91. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 07-09-2022, 09:35 AM
 
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It goes beyond that. Mass vaccination is supposed to create herd immunity, so the virus is squeezed out of the entire population. This is an explicit goal of vaccination.
The very use of the word “herd” is an offensive term to refer to community of human beings, but does highlight what your “owners” consider you. However, we are not farm animals, and do not gather in herds. Sheep do, Cows do, but not human beings …. at least not those who would then claim the right of bodily autonomy. A herd of sheep or cows enjoy no such autonomy, as they have no say when it’s time for shearing and slaughter.

As for the premise of “vaccination”, it originated from an old wive’s tale, and popularized by a “doctor” who had no formal medical training. The very epitome of what one might today be labeled a “quack”. I’ll not get into the 150 years of fraud perpetrated thereafter, as that is an entire topic all of its own.

Now, when it comes to the topic of pregnancy and bodily autonomy, we have a unique situation. Under no other circumstances do we claim the right to terminate the life of another, without cause, and only in very strict and specific circumstances such as self defense is such action deemed legitimate and permissible. It has never been acceptable to take the life of another human being without cause, simply because you want to, or find some benefit in doing so. That has long been considered murder. And no one has the right to murder.

Consequently, it is a gross misappropriation of the concept of bodily autonomy when attempting to apply it to abortion, because it is terminating the life of another human being. And because that is true, there should certainly be the same principles applied in terms of taking the life of any human being … that is, only in strictly defined cases of self defense.
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Old 07-09-2022, 09:37 AM
 
Location: Cleveland
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So you're all about "coercion" when it's "coercion" you agree with. Got it.
You: "I think it's totally unobjectionable if employers want to mandate a two-years-out-of-date flu shot; why doesn't anyone believe me when I insist I'm for bodily autonomy?"

LOL
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Old 07-09-2022, 09:37 AM
 
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The right to bodily autonomy does not include the right to spread infectious diseases to others.

In the specific case of the COVID vaccines, the case for mandatory vaccination is weak, because virus can often evade the vaccines.
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Old 07-09-2022, 09:38 AM
 
Location: East Lansing, MI
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You: "I think it's totally unobjectionable if employers want to mandate a two-years-out-of-date flu shot; why doesn't anyone believe me when I insist I'm for bodily autonomy?"

LOL
Freedom of choice is not freedom from consequence.

I'm supporting freedom of choice from both sides - you're not.
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Old 07-09-2022, 09:39 AM
 
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So you're all about "coercion" when it's "coercion" you agree with. Got it.
Coercion to not be allowed to mandate others do things to their bodies that they don’t agree with. Yes, I am against that.
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Old 07-09-2022, 09:43 AM
 
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So, again, you support forcing businesses to operate contrary to a manner of their choice. That's where we differ, evidently.
So, you would defend the right of a business run by white supremacist to deny jobs or services to people of color, then? Is this what you are saying?

How about a Christian run business denying employment or services to homosexuals? That ok too?
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Old 07-09-2022, 09:44 AM
 
Location: East Lansing, MI
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So, you would defend the right of a business run by white supremacist to deny jobs or services to people of color, then? Is this what you are saying?

How about a Christian run business denying employment or services to homosexuals? That ok too?
I've already addressed protected classes, if you bother to read the whole thread.

Whether or not there "should be" protected classes is a discussion for another thread.
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Old 07-09-2022, 09:48 AM
 
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I've already addressed protected classes, if you bother to read the whole thread.

Whether or not there "should be" protected classes is a discussion for another thread.
What if an employer wanted to implant microchips into his employees to keep track of their productivity? You’d be fully favor, I’m sure.
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Old 07-09-2022, 09:50 AM
 
Location: Cleveland
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Freedom of choice is not freedom from consequence.

I'm supporting freedom of choice from both sides - you're not.
I'm SuPpOrTiNg FrEeDoM oF cHoIcE!

"Take this two-years-out-of-date flu shot or you can't work here anymore!"
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Old 07-09-2022, 09:54 AM
 
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Coercion to not be allowed to mandate others do things to their bodies that they don’t agree with. Yes, I am against that.
What happens if your body becomes a source of infectious disease that can endanger others? Are you willing to make an exception in that case? I’m not referring to Covid-19 specifically, but to diseases in general.
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