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The initial post is illogical, as prolifers see the fetus as its own body.
That is a part of the discussion concerning bodily autonomy. It makes the abortion, pro choice, bodily autonomy issue probably the most complicated of all. It’s definitely worth discussing.
Oddly, the pro abortion rights people are the ones who use this lingo the most and are the least able to admit that there are two bodies involved in abortion.
It’s hardly the first vaccine that employers have mandated throughout history though. When I went to OT school, I had to have measles mumps rubella administered again even though I had it when I was a kid. If I didn’t get it, I would not have been admitted. The military has also required vaccinations long before Covid. But I don’t remember all these people being up in arms about it, because those other vaccines have not been so politicized.
Stop simplifying. This vaccine is not like the vaccines that employers have mandated "throughout history" ... geez what does that even mean ... 50 yrs? mRNA vaccines were developed in the 60s but have never been taken to market until 2020 to fight Covid. We are performing what amounts to an extended field trial. Because of this, the vaccine is shall we say controversial. I didn't say dangerous I just said controversial and that perspective is justified. You're brushing off a legitimate hesitancy about this vaccine by re-framing that reluctance as politics ... That line of argument is familiar and it's nothing more than code from the left that 'righties' are backward scientifically impaired troglodytes. You couldn't be more wrong. Skepticism and questioning IS a fundamental ethic of science. Herd following is exactly the opposite. Stop trying to act like this is an illogical rejection of precedent.
Frankly I see it's between them and God in the end. But as long as they stay out of my wallet, I'll stay out of their uterus. Pay for their abortions out of their own pockets and not of taxes.
No you are not. You are engaging in Orwellian double talk. Only in the twisted minds of liberals can we have such self serving selectivity, which naturally leads to such insistence that up really does mean down.
Forced choice, be it in the form of a gun to your head, or lessor forms of coercion such as the threat of losing one’s ability to support and feed themselves and their families could never be mistaken as “freedom of choice”.
The deeper philosophical issue at hand here is the inappropriate granting of human rights to that which is not even a living thing, let alone a human being. A business, large or small is a human “construct”, not a human being possessing human rights.
Therefore, it is a fraud at face value to even attempt to grant such a construct “rights”, let alone attempt to claim them equal to that of a human being.
I don't think he's a liberal, but you are bang-on otherwise. "What about the rights of the police department to know that we're here on these rocks by the lake smoking dope? Why is everyone calling me a narc?!?"
His utterances really don't sound much different from "I support civil rights; I support the right for black people to be asked civilly to please go to the back of the bus." The major difference being that he can't turn a phrase like I can. LOL
I've already addressed protected classes, if you bother to read the whole thread.
Whether or not there "should be" protected classes is a discussion for another thread.
That’s not an answer, that’s a deflection. The question is a closed ended question, which requires a simple yes or no answer, unlike open ended questions that allow extended dialog, such as explanations, reasons, theories and excuses.
So, let me ask you again … would you defend the right of a business run by white supremacists to deny jobs or services to black people because they deemed it to be contrary to their business interests? It’s a simple yes or no question.
Don’t be a coward. If your opinions are based on firm principles as you attempt to suggest, then answer the question with conviction.
Your opinion declares it wrong to force a business to accept something that it believes is not in the best interests of the business. That’s your claim.
So, is that fundamentally true, or is it conditionally true sometimes, but not always?
Abortion needs defining, to also include whether it is on demand up until birth, and to have exceptions like rape, incest, life of the mother.
While I am ambivalent in general, there is little doubt the pro-abortion side is on the wrong side of history.
Technology has proven beyond the shadow of a doubt a pregnancy results in a human being. Additionally, viability outside of the womb now includes children that are very premature.
A concept I have never been able to wrap my head around is almost anyone I know who is a member of, or supporter of PETA, is also pro-abortion. They think every animals life is precious to the point many want all medical experimentations stopped, even people to stop eating meat.
Yet they do not apply the same standards to themselves as far as human babies are concerned, and are even activists for the right of all women to abort their babies.
I don't care what you do with your body as long as I don't have to pay for it.
Ya got the money? ........... Have as many babies as you want, take all the drugs you want; I don't care.
But if you're not going to pay for it, then it becomes my business.
A concept I have never been able to wrap my head around is almost anyone I know who is a member of, or supporter of PETA, is also pro-abortion. They think every animals life is precious to the point many want all medical experimentations stopped, even people to stop eating meat.
Yet they do not apply the same standards to themselves as far as human babies are concerned, and are even activists for the right of all women to abort their babies.
I know someone like this! I mean, I am a vegan but I am also anti-abortion and it has nothing to do with religion. I find abortion after a certain point in the pregnancy to be cruel and inhumane just like factory farming. My friend believes that women should always be able to choose to abort but is horrified when a pregnant dairy cow goes to slaughter.
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