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The part you don't seem to get is because we live in a world with other people, there has to be a balance between the individual wants and needs and the group's need to survive.
I think our country is based on giving individual freedom where possible. But not if the individual will upset the society.
To have total Individual Liberty would be anarchy. Nothing would ever get done or built.
How about if your neighbors play their loud music next to you until 3AM every morning?
You say people.can't affect anyone else. Anything a person does individually is bound to affect other people. That's why we have laws.
Do you think people will are home shooting up and that will affect nobody else? How.about the baby they should be taking care of? How.about when they go.out and drive like that?
You said you're for.liberty, then immediately put a qualifier - and an impossible one - on it. So, no, you're not for liberty and you are in favor of the greater good if you are qualifying that *nobody else* can be affected.
Yet again, you insert what you think I said.
We were talking about drugs, not music.
The question posed to me was 'are you for the legalization of all drugs', and here you come, carrying on about 'loud music'.
We weren't talking about 'loud music'.
Yes, I am indeed for liberty, not the collective. Do all the drugs you want. I. don't. care. The faster those types kill themselves, the better. But, if you get into a car after doing drugs, and injure or kill someone else, you are held responsible.
The question posed to me was 'are you for the legalization of all drugs', and here you come, carrying on about 'loud music'.
We weren't talking about 'loud music'.
Yes, I am indeed for liberty, not the collective. Do all the drugs you want. I. don't. care. The faster those types kill themselves, the better. But, if you get into a car after doing drugs, and injure or kill someone else, you are held responsible.
Individual liberty is NOT 'anarchy'.
Your rights END where MY rights begin.
What is so hard to understand about that?
To say "Your rights END where MY rights begin" is an acknowledgment that at some point, the common good comes into play. So not total anarchy, but an acknowledgment that consideration of others is also important.
So you're saying I'm a liar? or that's what you do when the reality hits you in the keyster. I'm almost a libertarian, so your an idiot.
Pack sand
Wow, you are the one lying and you try to make me out to be the bad guy here. You are not almost a libertarian. Full drug legalization and ending prescription requirements for medication isnt a negotiable position. It is individual liberty but that is not something that matters to you. You are all about government control over every decision we make. A lot of republicans have this crazy notion that because they think they prefer small government (its only in their minds because they dont prefer small government) that they have something in common with libertarians. But when it comes to individual liberty republicans get a huge F grade when it comes to actually supporting it.
Wow, you are the one lying and you try to make me out to be the bad guy here. You are not almost a libertarian. Full drug legalization and ending prescription requirements for medication isnt a negotiable position. It is individual liberty but that is not something that matters to you. You are all about government control over every decision we make. A lot of republicans have this crazy notion that because they think they prefer small government (its only in their minds because they dont prefer small government) that they have something in common with libertarians. But when it comes to individual liberty republicans get a huge F grade for actually supporting it.
What the hell is wrong with you? Totally false and made up. Where did this crap come from. FU
What the hell is wrong with you? Totally false and made up. Where did this crap come from. FU
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Originally Posted by Dave_n_Tenn
I don't, but all SAFE drugs should be regulated and perceptions available.
The drug issue is a good test of individual liberty since its so obviously everyones right to consume anything they want. To oppose that is to not care one tiny bit about individual liberty.
The drug issue is a good test of individual liberty since its so obviously everyones right to consume anything they want. To oppose that is to not care one tiny bit about individual liberty.
You're still an idiot to reach conclusion about me (and probably others) over prescription medications. FU again.
Beg to differ with OP's assertion that most countries are based on the collective good. I believe most Western countries harbor that deluded philosophy. Even Japan is Western in that regard.
Most of the 196 nations on earth are based on the philosophy Might Makes Right and are dictatorships of one form or another, even if they go through the theatrical pretense of holding free elections. Most nations are not "collective good" but are direct or defacto dictatorships.
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