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Originally Posted by suzy_q2010
The article says the police were notified by county CPS. If they were first to be notified by the family and then notified the police it would appear that CPS took the child to the child abuse doctor. Any report by that doctor would then be redundant. Why report back to the agency that contacted you first?
You seem to be reading a lot into the 'mother contacting the CPS for a "referral"'.
From what it sounds no one (outside of the mother and maybe doctors) really knew anything until just recently...and that was only because of the recent uproar. All of this came about at the first part of July, nothing much was known except for what the Indiana doctor told the media. Everything else seemed to have started being known only over the past 2-3 days.
So, unless you can prove that the police report was filed somewhere around the first of the month, by the mother, doctor, or CPS, then you have nothing but a skillfully crafted media story.
You seem to be reading a lot into the 'mother contacting the CPS for a "referral"'.
From what it sounds no one (outside of the mother and maybe doctors) really knew anything until just recently...and that was only because of the recent uproar. All of this came about at the first part of July, nothing much was known except for what the Indiana doctor told the media. Everything else seemed to have started being known only over the past 2-3 days.
So, unless you can prove that the police report was filed somewhere around the first of the month, by the mother, doctor, or CPS, then you have nothing but a skillfully crafted media story.
The "media story" I linked to is sourced:
"According to court records, Columbus police were notified of the victim's abuse and pregnancy on June 22 through a referral from Franklin County Children Services."
Abortions are a private matter. They should have stayed that way.
Now, all sorts of tragic circumstances are going to become public spectacle, because prosecution of doctors and other people assisting in abortions are a matter of public record.
Courts are going to adjudicate whether private medical procedures are appropriate, because there will be all sorts of edge cases.
I thought y’all wanted to keep the government OUT of medical decisions.
Both sides made abortion political. Had the left not kept pushing the issue to further and further extremes over the last decade or so, abortion would have likely remained a fringe issue for most voters.
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The "media story" I linked to is sourced:
"According to court records, Columbus police were notified of the victim's abuse and pregnancy on June 22 through a referral from Franklin County Children Services."
Yeah okay.
Sometime in maybe early to mid June the mother takes her child to a doctor and discovers her child is pregnant. Around mid-June, the mother contacted CPS for a "referral" for an abortion for her child in Indiana. The mother claimed the child was pregnant because of "abuse". Apparently since the Indiana doctor listed the age of the "abuser" at 17yo then that may be what the mother told CPS and had told the doctors? Abuse (aka rape) of a minor by a minor isn't generally prosecuted, right?
How is the reporting "abuse" of a minor by a minor, a 17yo, the same as reporting a rape by a 27yo man?
Anyway
The Ohio doctor then contacts the doctor in Indiana probably sometime towards the end of June. The doctor then runs to the media and talks about a child having to go from Ohio to Indiana because of the SC, and about how abortions are no longer legal for that child in Ohio, even though it was, and is, legal for that child to have an abortion in Ohio.
Sometime around the first of July the girl is taken, for no real reason other than political, to Indiana where she's given an abortion.
July 1, the story hits the news and is an instant hit, not just nationwide but worldwide. Even the president spoke of it. But one major thing, there was absolutely no proof provided. Media sites, like WaPo, investigated and found nothing to prove the story. WaPo did find the mother's "referral" but there was apparently no mention of abuse or rape.
Everyone is talking about this, everyone. But there was absolutely nothing to go on as far as proof, until two days ago.
'Two days ago', the rapist was arrested and suddenly the information dam broke. It took many weeks to a month for any sort of proof of a nationwide story, a story originally and continually based on nothing but 'someone says'. And it does appear that no one knew about the "abuse" (by a minor?) report until two days ago. Most likely the "police report" was done because the police investigated this thing due to public pressure, not because CPS contacted them.
Sometime in maybe early to mid June the mother takes her child to a doctor and discovers her child is pregnant. Around mid-June, the mother contacted CPS for a "referral" for an abortion for her child in Indiana. The mother claimed the child was pregnant because of "abuse". Apparently since the Indiana doctor listed the age of the "abuser" at 17yo then that may be what the mother told CPS and had told the doctors? Abuse (aka rape) of a minor by a minor isn't generally prosecuted, right?
How is the reporting "abuse" of a minor by a minor, a 17yo, the same as reporting a rape by a 27yo man?
Anyway
The Ohio doctor then contacts the doctor in Indiana probably sometime towards the end of June. The doctor then runs to the media and talks about a child having to go from Ohio to Indiana because of the SC, and about how abortions are no longer legal for that child in Ohio, even though it was, and is, legal for that child to have an abortion in Ohio.
Sometime around the first of July the girl is taken, for no real reason other than political, to Indiana where she's given an abortion.
July 1, the story hits the news and is an instant hit, not just nationwide but worldwide. Even the president spoke of it. But one major thing, there was absolutely no proof provided. Media sites, like WaPo, investigated and found nothing to prove the story. WaPo did find the mother's "referral" but there was apparently no mention of abuse or rape.
Everyone is talking about this, everyone. But there was absolutely nothing to go on as far as proof, until two days ago.
'Two days ago', the rapist was arrested and suddenly the information dam broke. It took many weeks to a month for any sort of proof of a nationwide story, a story originally and continually based on nothing but 'someone says'. And it does appear that no one knew about the "abuse" (by a minor?) report until two days ago. Most likely the "police report" was done because the police investigated this thing due to public pressure, not because CPS contacted them.
The police should have been informed a month ago.
Rape of a minor by a minor is indeed prosecuted.
The police were aware of the situation as of June 22. The abortion, and its indication of abuse, were reported on July 2, which happens to be Saturday of the Fourth of July weekend holiday.
That the "proof" was not blasted in the media does not mean it did not exist. The investigation was underway before the arrest was announced or else there would have been no arrest.
Much of it would have come out when the rapist was arrested and tried in court. Though the names of the victim and family would have been stricken, the rest of the case would have been public. Do you want that rapist and other rapists set free so that these things stay "private"?
The doctors are being investigated to make sure they had properly informed the authorities like they are Legally Required to do. Do you want the authorities to stop making sure that happens?
The mother doesn't want the rapist charged, seems she wants him to remain in the home, where he would continue to rape that child. Do you want that to happen?
No one probably would have known about any of this if that doctor hadn't made it public by telling the Indy Star about it. No one probably would have even known there was a rape since the mother didn't report it, apparently the Ohio doctor didn't report it, and the Indiana doctor said the "abuser" was 17. The child was raped more than once but no one around her, mother and doctors, cared about that.
The child didn't have to go to Indiana.
Look at the headline of the breaking story...."Patients head to Indiana for abortion services as other states restrict care". The story was based on the SC decision and the abortion laws in the states, not really about a child had been raped and needed an abortion which would have been legal in Ohio. This case was made political from the get-go. https://www.indystar.com/story/news/...el/7779936001/
If it weren't political and had been kept private then the child would have had a hushed-up abortion in Ohio. No doctors would have run to the media to crow and lie about how children are being forced to cross state lines to get an abortion. The rapist and the child would have likely remained in the same home, and a year later that same child would likely have to have another abortion. That is what you want?
Yeah but let's all keep this stuff private, right?
I'm glad this came out, for the sake of that poor child. Imagine you being raped a number of times and everyone around you cares so little that they want your rapist to stay near you.
smh!
I don’t have to imagine it. 11, not 10.
Now, none of your rant is what I meant.
What I mean is, abortion is a private MEDICAL decision. It should have stayed that way, and not been politicised by the state determining who can have one and who can’t.
Mandated reporting is of course appropriate, and I have no issue with that.
All sorts of edge cases including health of the mother and viability of the foetus are going to end up in the courts, a public spectacle just like this. Because when, why and where obotions are obtained are no longer a PRIVATE MEDICAL MATTER.
The article says the police were notified by county CPS. If they were first to be notified by the family and then notified the police it would appear that CPS took the child to the child abuse doctor. Any report by that doctor would then be redundant. Why report back to the agency that contacted you first?
I suppose someone would have to find the actual law/rule/policy to see if it says "report all" or "report any not already reported to police".
Life is full of redundancies ...have you never gotten an email urging you to "don't forget to register/pay!" when you've already done so?
You seem to be reading a lot into the 'mother contacting the CPS for a "referral"'.
From what it sounds no one (outside of the mother and maybe doctors) really knew anything until just recently...and that was only because of the recent uproar. All of this came about at the first part of July, nothing much was known except for what the Indiana doctor told the media. Everything else seemed to have started being known only over the past 2-3 days.
So, unless you can prove that the police report was filed somewhere around the first of the month, by the mother, doctor, or CPS, then you have nothing but a skillfully crafted media story.
Quote:
Originally Posted by suzy_q2010
The "media story" I linked to is sourced:
"According to court records, Columbus police were notified of the victim's abuse and pregnancy on June 22 through a referral from Franklin County Children Services."
outside of a few people, nobody knew about the story between June 22 and July 1 until the Indiana doctor went public with it, and Joe Biden used the partial truth she gave to make a political point.
I don't think any of "us" have a right to know about the tragic story, until it was used for political fodder.
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