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Old 07-13-2022, 04:24 PM
 
Location: Auckland, New Zealand
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I am all for keeping criminals out. Other than that, I don't see a problem with allowing immigrants into the country.
But immigrants are already allowed into the country. It's called immigration. Here we are talking about illegal boarder crosses. Crossing an open boarder that should be secured.

One of the results are criminals crossing over into the country, bringing with them phytanyl and other contraband. Also bringing covid.

Should the same 'immigration' rules apply to airport and seaport entries? Are those rules being applied now? Can a person from say, Australia buy a plane ticked to the US and just land there and walk in and claim financial assistance like the southern boarder crossers do? Well, they don't even have to apply for assistance. Would this hypothetical Australian (a white guy) also be given a free plane ticket to anywhere in the US he chooses?

 
Old 07-13-2022, 04:26 PM
 
Location: California side of the Sierras
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But immigrants are already allowed into the country. It's called immigration. Here we are talking about illegal boarder crosses. Crossing an open boarder that should be secured.

One of the results are criminals crossing over into the country, bringing with them phytanyl and other contraband. Also bringing covid.

Should the same 'immigration' rules apply to airport and seaport entries? Are those rules being applied now? Can a person from say, Australia buy a plane ticked to the US and just land there and walk in and claim financial assistance like the southern boarder crossers do? Well, they don't even have to apply for assistance. Would this hypothetical Australian (a white guy) also be given a free plane ticket to anywhere in the US he chooses?
I'm sorry. I thought I was being clear, but apparently I was not.

I support keeping criminals out. Everyone else is welcome, as far as I am concerned.
 
Old 07-13-2022, 04:30 PM
 
Location: Southeast US
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So you want to see more law enforcement officers protecting migrants while they are making their journey to the US? I have no argument with that.
nevermind the answer is no, how would you propose the US LEO's protect migrants from Colombia all the way to the US? Get jurisdiction from all those countries? Just get it in friendly Panama (to turn them around) and Mexico (where we'd turn them into Mexico asylees)?
 
Old 07-13-2022, 04:34 PM
 
Location: Auckland, New Zealand
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I'm sorry. I thought I was being clear, but apparently I was not.

I support keeping criminals out. Everyone else is welcome, as far as I am concerned.
No, you were not being clear. On one hand you are saying the southern boarder should be open to all immigrants while on the other hand you are saying that criminals should be kept out.

Do you not see the conflict there? The only way to keep criminals out is via the proper immigration process which is not an open southern boarder. In short, the way to keep criminals out is to close the southern boarder.

Another question; do you not think it unfair that people who wish to legally immigrate to the US should be made to wait a long time, months to years has been stated, while they go through the proper process, which by the way, is how criminals are weeded out, while the southern boarder is wide open to all and sundry, as long as they are not white? Criminals and all.
 
Old 07-13-2022, 04:35 PM
 
Location: California side of the Sierras
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nevermind the answer is no, how would you propose the US LEO's protect migrants from Colombia all the way to the US? Get jurisdiction from all those countries? Just get it in friendly Panama (to turn them around) and Mexico (where we'd turn them into Mexico asylees)?
I have no idea. Ask Corrie22, this is her suggestion.
 
Old 07-13-2022, 04:37 PM
 
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It is just the start. And they want to take guns away from us.
 
Old 07-13-2022, 04:43 PM
 
Location: California side of the Sierras
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No, you were not being clear. On one hand you are saying the southern boarder should be open to all immigrants while on the other hand you are saying that criminals should be kept out.

Do you not see the conflict there? The only way to keep criminals out is via the proper immigration process which is not an open southern boarder. In short, the way to keep criminals out is to close the southern boarder.

Another question; do you not think it unfair that people who wish to legally immigrate to the US should be made to wait a long time, months to years has been stated, while they go through the proper process, which by the way, is how criminals are weeded out, while the southern boarder is wide open to all and sundry, as long as they are not white? Criminals and all.
I have already stated "stop making it illegal". That clears up the conflict quite nicely.

As to the unfairness of the wait for legal immigration, I don't think people attempt to cross the border illegally because of the wait. It is the quotas which are the motivation. End the quotas, screen for criminals, then let them in.
 
Old 07-13-2022, 04:43 PM
 
Location: Free State of Florida
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I'm sorry. I thought I was being clear, but apparently I was not.

I support keeping criminals out. Everyone else is welcome, as far as I am concerned.
What if we are unable to determine if they are a convicted felon, or not? What if no country can confirm their true identity? Do we let them in? Or, only people we can verify as being law abiding?

Even if they dont speak any English, are uneducated and thus will have very few job opportunities here, and have no sponsors to help house and integrate them? Should we pay them unemployment?

Should we pay for their food stamps, welfare, section 8 housing, healthcare, ect..? do YOU want to pay for it?

What if they have a chronic healthcare issue like cancer? Should we take on that costly burden? How about a contagious disease, or VD?

Please elaborate in your answering of these questions so we can all understand your position, & please do not deflect, or provide a lazy 1 sentence quip as so many here do when challenged.
 
Old 07-13-2022, 04:50 PM
 
Location: Wartrace,TN
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He should get at least one year in prison and among the general population . Probably wouldn't last a week.
 
Old 07-13-2022, 04:51 PM
 
Location: Anderson, IN
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I am glad they caught him, I hope he gets what he deserves.


Ohio man charged in rape of 10-year-old that led to Indiana abortion

Tony Cook, Bethany Bruner and Monroe Trombly, Indianapolis Star
Wed, July 13, 2022 at 11:52 AM·3 min read

An Ohio man has been charged with raping a 10-year-old Ohio girl, whose travel to Indiana to seek an abortion has led to international attention following the Supreme Court's decision to overturn Roe v. Wade.
Gershon Fuentes, 27, whose last known address was an apartment in Columbus, Ohio, was arrested Tuesday after police say he admitted to raping the child on at least two occasions. He's since been charged with rape and is being held on a $2 million bond.
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https://news.yahoo.com/ohio-man-char...163914748.html

Can we strap him to the top of a rocket and shoot him into space?
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