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Old 08-02-2022, 09:46 AM
 
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Perhaps we should work on not being entirely dependent on them? Just a thought.
Funny how for some going to war seems preferable to this

 
Old 08-02-2022, 09:47 AM
 
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Perhaps we should work on not being entirely dependent on them? Just a thought.
Exactly.
 
Old 08-02-2022, 09:50 AM
 
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Well, Taiwan is not an independent country according to the UN. And since the PRC is the only China recognized by the UN, Taiwan is dependent on and part of the PRC, obviously.
How on Earth is Taiwan dependent on the CCP? What backwards logic are you trying to pass off?

To respond to your second post, a 21st century where China is a hegemon is absolutely, 100% a threat to the West. Let's start culturally, because that's what this forum loves the most. Imagine a world where every media company, not just Disney, is censoring their media to make it past the insane Chinese censors. Anything that could ever be considered a hint of a critique is automatically banned and censored by the CCP. How are we free if we live under the guise of Chinese Communist censors?

Next, China has spent the better part of the last 20 years securing rare earth metals and making deals with African counties to get better access to rare earth metals. We will need rare earth metals and lithium to stay competitive with China, and we are falling behind.

Which leads me to the elephant in the room, as evidenced by Russia's military struggles due to its loss of access to microchips and other important components, China could use its power to stymie the United States' wartime capacity. No chips, no rare earth metals, no modern warfare. Taiwan is a crucial ally and trading partner. Should China invade Taiwan, the United States lacks the capacity to find other places to buy chips at the moment. It is another strategical weakness.

China is suffering from a major recession on top of multiple bubbles on the precipice of being burst. The CCP has made some errors in the last couple years, and I think now is a good time to capitalize. Their way of censorship, oppression, and genocide will not win the future.

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Old 08-02-2022, 09:51 AM
 
Location: Native of Any Beach/FL
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Well she’s got pelotas and we should not be intimidated. I’m surprised at some scary cats in here. Geesh.

With tensions already high, several Chinese warplanes flew close to the median line dividing the Taiwan Strait on Tuesday morning before leaving later in the day, a source told Reuters. Several Chinese warships have also sailed near the unofficial dividing line since Monday and remained there, the source said.

The United States said on Monday it would not be intimidated by what it called Chinese "sabre-rattling".

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-p...ay-2022-08-02/
 
Old 08-02-2022, 09:52 AM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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Since when do we know all the ins n outs of diplomats travels?
She is 82 years old. This trip is the highlight of her political career.

Key words her career

She doesn't care about any of us but herself.
 
Old 08-02-2022, 09:52 AM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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Yes we should. 60% of the world's cutting edge sub-16nm chips are fabricated in Taiwan. Both China and the US are almost entirely dependent on Taiwan's semiconductor foundries. It's maybe the most valuable piece of real estate in the world. Semiconductors may be more vital to the world's economy and security (read militaries) than oil.

https://www.reuters.com/investigates...n-china-chips/

That article is more than half a year old, and a lot is happening. Just last year "experts" were still saying it would take China a decade to catch up, but just recently news emerged that SMIC, the big Chinese foundry, is already producing 7nm chips, according to a Western company that analyzed such a chip. It is not a fully fledged CPU, yet, but they obviously master the lithography process.

The smallest-node chips Taiwanese companies make so far are 5nm, i.e. just one generation below (usually the steps are several nm, so there won't be 6nm chips). They are working on 3nm tech at the moment, but it will take a while because the smaller, the more challenging and expensive.

In short, China is catching up much faster than expected. And they are not even using the latest lithography machines from the Netherlands that even the Taiwanese could not make their advanced chips without and that the Dutch refuse to export to China for political reasons. Seems the Chinese have developed alternative processes.
Not to mention that those advanced chips are only used in a few products, mostly smartphones.
Most other areas including vehicles, machines, military, etc. are fine with more "legacy", double-digit nm chips.

I think China will have caught up with the Taiwanese in about three years. There was an article recently which said that 19 of the 20 fastest growing chip companies are from mainland China.
 
Old 08-02-2022, 09:52 AM
 
Location: So Cal
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Perhaps we should work on not being entirely dependent on them? Just a thought.
Both parties sold out the American public on the whole outsourcing everything approach they taken. Gutted out a lot of jobs and look where we are now.

It's really scary to me how much we rely on a country that intends harm on us.
 
Old 08-02-2022, 09:53 AM
 
Location: deafened by howls of 'racism!!!'
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But, but... that was "different".
it sure was. a helluva lot changes in 25 years. china changed immensely.
 
Old 08-02-2022, 09:53 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Wee-Bey View Post
Yes we should. 60% of the world's cutting edge sub-16nm chips are fabricated in Taiwan. Both China and the US are almost entirely dependent on Taiwan's semiconductor foundries. It's maybe the most valuable piece of real estate in the world. Semiconductors may be more vital to the world's economy and security (read militaries) than oil.

https://www.reuters.com/investigates...n-china-chips/

and do what exactly? What is Pelosi going to do?
 
Old 08-02-2022, 09:55 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Neuling View Post
That article is more than half a year old, and a lot is happening. Just last year "experts" were still saying it would take China a decade to catch up, but just recently news emerged that SMIC, the big Chinese foundry, is already producing 7nm chips, according to a Western company that analyzed such a chip. It is not a fully fledged CPU, yet, but they obviously master the lithography process.

The smallest-node chips Taiwanese companies make so far are 5nm, i.e. just one generation below (usually the steps are several nm, so there won't be 6nm chips). They are working on 3nm tech at the moment, but it will take a while because the smaller, the more challenging and expensive.

In short, China is catching up much faster than expected. And they are not even using the latest lithography machines from the Netherlands that even the Taiwanese could not make their advanced chips without and that the Dutch refuse to export to China for political reasons. Seems the Chinese have developed alternative processes.
Not to mention that those advanced chips are only used in a few products, mostly smartphones.
Most other areas including vehicles, machines, military, etc. are fine with more "legacy", double-digit nm chips.

I think China will have caught up with the Taiwanese in about three years. There was an article recently which said that 19 of the 20 fastest growing chip companies are from mainland China.
Haha the Chinese chips are trash and at least half a decade behind TSMC. Sample CPUs that trickle into the West don't live up to the Chinese claims (what a shock).
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