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Old 07-24-2022, 06:16 AM
 
Location: Honolulu, HI
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Forget the alcohol comparison. Even caffeine is a more dangerous mind altering drug.
Caffeine is pretty strong, but it has nothing on cigarettes.
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Old 07-24-2022, 06:21 AM
 
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Maybe you should stop in a cemetery, stop at the graves of those who died form overdose and that began using drugs starting with marijuana and tell them about "reefer madness?"
Virtually everyone I know who has had a problem with hard drugs also smokes cigarettes. Should we make cigs illegal? Doing that will not stop people from smoking it will just create a vast underground market run by criminals. And put people in prison simply for being addicted to nicotine.

I believe people have a right to make bad decisions. Even if it eventually kills them prematurely. The nanny state needs to stay out of that entirely.
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Old 07-24-2022, 06:31 AM
 
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Simple - we already have enough dumb citizens, and people who are doped up and booze hounds. So the government giving tacit approval to mind altering drugs is not good for our future as a society nor our culture.

So you are saying ban all substances that alter your mind? We tried that with prohibition and the war on drugs. Both efforts failed to stop people from using those substances. All that happened was a vast criminal underground profited from it. The mafia during prohibition and the Cartel with drugs. Believe me the drug cartel would support all mind altering substances being banned. They would make trillions off of that.
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Old 07-24-2022, 06:36 AM
 
Location: Sector 001
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Caffeine is pretty strong, but it has nothing on cigarettes.
Caffeine and marijuana are not particularly addictive, no more so than food. They are habit forming, there's a difference. Alcohol has a mild level of addictiveness, certainly more than marijuana. Cigarettes are by far more addictive than any of them, and I don't have any experience with anything harder. My co-worker did heroin and cocaine... he does not support their decriminalization.

However, he supports legal marijuana. The people who oppose it grew up with "reefer madness" and "this is your brain on drugs" brainwashing. They often lump all the drugs together without understanding the effects of each individual drug. Alcohol is more destructive to society than marijuana, yet is socially accepted, so it gets a pass.

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Old 07-24-2022, 06:53 AM
 
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Pandering, look what we did for you.

Maybe more local control and laws are the way to go. But pot is not the harmless drug many tout it to be. And until they come up with an acceptable field test to catch intoxicated drivers I wouldn't 'legalize' it.

But all this is more mid term pandering.
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Old 07-24-2022, 07:41 AM
 
Location: Willamette Valley, Oregon
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I live in Oregon and I'm fine with the current drug laws. We have two dispensaries in our little town of about 3200. If you have a CDL, you should not use pot. Pot stays in your system for days, if not weeks and will be detected through testing.
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Old 07-24-2022, 08:11 AM
 
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"pot's good for you", Joe Rogan (interview 908 with Leah Remini)
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Old 07-24-2022, 10:04 AM
 
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Simple - we already have enough dumb citizens, and people who are doped up and booze hounds. So the government giving tacit approval to mind altering drugs is not good for our future as a society nor our culture.
I currently have two friends who are both getting divorces because their husbands are big pot users. They both hold down jobs and I can see where some would consider that functioning. However, they don't function much outside of that. They seldom help with the kids, house and so on. Not to mention their emotional filled drama outbursts. Of course, they think they are the most brilliant guys in the universe. It probably should be left to the states, like abortion, though. Of course I'm comfortable saying that because my state would never make it legal.
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Old 07-24-2022, 11:57 AM
 
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Virtually everyone I know who has had a problem with hard drugs also smokes cigarettes. Should we make cigs illegal? Doing that will not stop people from smoking it will just create a vast underground market run by criminals. And put people in prison simply for being addicted to nicotine.

I believe people have a right to make bad decisions. Even if it eventually kills them prematurely. The nanny state needs to stay out of that entirely.
Excessive taxes alone will do this easily for cigarettes as well as for legalized cannibis.
Tax something to sky high and the black market takes over.
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Old 07-24-2022, 12:08 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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I am against it because they can't pass a drug test to get or hold a job. Even if it is legal, it doesn't mean they can have it in their system when at work in many places. It is also a step closer to other now illegal drugs being legalized.

Hey, lots of you worship the word of the CDC so:

https://www.cdc.gov/marijuana/health...eaction%20time.

"Marijuana use directly affects brain function — specifically the parts of the brain responsible for memory, learning, attention, decision-making, coordination, emotions, and reaction time."

That's what we need to move the country forward, NOT! Ever actually talked with a heavy user?
The states cannot do this? The states don't have the capacity to debate and pass laws detailing the way they want to control marijuana?

If the feds don't do something, then it cannot be done?
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