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Old 07-27-2022, 12:08 PM
 
Location: Elsewhere
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build homeless shelters for humans. They share a common area living room with two TV's. They have a small room with new cots to sleep on. No TV in the sleeping quarters/room. Make it no frills or luxury. Just a place to sleep without being watched while sleeping. During the day they must go outdoors not sit around all day inside the homeless building. Sometimes some States provide medication for the mentally ill.

If food is to be provided then it must only be canned soups and volunteer. I think if this was done then showers should be provided and washing machines and dryers too since that is being done in some Schools now to get children to come back to school. They won't go to school because complaints were made about them stinking in dirty clothing. Parents say they can't afford to wash their childrens clothes.
As has been pointed out, isn't that what we already have?

Some people won't stay in them because they wake up and their shoes or other personal items have been stolen while they slept.

There are also drop-in centers where the homeless can shower, change clothes and sometimes get help finding services and get a meal, but they don't sleep there.
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Old 07-27-2022, 12:09 PM
 
Location: Southeast US
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There are not enough jails to house beggars and other non violent people.
that's what the tents - or whatever solution is created - are for.

The act of being homeless - of "living" on public property (and let's use parks as an example because you could violate a rule about blocking a sidewalk) has been deemed legal WHEN there is not space provided.

So you provide the space for those who aren't otherwise breaking the law.

By the way, we also need "more" for those who find themselves temporarily homeless. However, I will add that most non-profit agencies that are working hard to help the temporary homeless have rules, and some of this category of homeless people do not like to follow simple rules. I've participated in church-based programs that do this, and invariably a family (well, the Dad usually) has to be asked to leave either for consuming alcohol/drugs to impairment or getting belligerent and disturbing the peace. Not the majority by any means, but it always happens.
 
Old 07-27-2022, 12:13 PM
 
Location: Southeast US
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No, it sounds like what the left's hero, FDR did. But he made them work to earn their keep. The CCC camps...

https://www.history.com/topics/great...ervation-corps
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They enlisted.
or, we can re-start the Great Depression projects and call them Bidenvilles

https://www.thoughtco.com/hoovervill...ession-4845996

truly, we might well start planning them now given the path our leadership is on with the economy.
 
Old 07-27-2022, 12:13 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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No, it sounds like what the left's hero, FDR did. But he made them work to earn their keep. The CCC camps...

https://www.history.com/topics/great...ervation-corps

CCC was established to combat record high unemployment of young males, aged 17-28, during the Great Depression. As I understand it, it was a voluntary program embraced by young unemployed, able- bodied males.

The Army managed it.

The current situation is quite different. Unemployment is not an issue. And for the most part, homeless males are addicted to drugs or have serious mental health/ emotional regulation issues which disqualify them from most shelters.

The median age of a homeless male in San Francisco is now 46 years old.
 
Old 07-27-2022, 12:23 PM
 
Location: Southeast US
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If you can't live homeless in the streets, what's the alternative? That's exactly what happened when FDR did it.
Imagine taking someone for whom there was no job available and giving them a job that provides for their food, shelter, clothing AND income.

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The largest enrollment at any one time was 300,000. Through the course of its nine years in operation, three million young men took part in the CCC, which provided them with shelter, clothing, and food, together with a wage of $30 (equivalent to $1000 in 2021) per month ($25 of which had to be sent home to their families).

The American public made the CCC the most popular of all the New Deal programs. Sources written at the time claimed an individual's enrollment in the CCC led to improved physical condition, heightened morale, and increased employability.
maybe the CCC was Utopic, maybe over-rated, maybe just plain effective.

And just think - they earned the equivalent of what many want today as a handout of Universal Basic Income ($1K/mo) ... but they also told those young men - "you only get $5/mo to spend ($150/mo), the rest you send to your family".

So why was it such a great idea then, but not a viable solution now?
 
Old 07-27-2022, 12:26 PM
 
Location: Southeast US
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A robust social security net with easy access to treatment for mental health issues and addiction?
a net, or a permanent bed?

A man has to be willing to help himself. The chronically homeless do not want the help.
 
Old 07-27-2022, 12:31 PM
 
Location: Southeast US
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Forget tents. Tents wear out. They collapse in heavy winds. Tents leaks. The fabric bakes during the summer heat and becomes brittle. We'd have to replace them too often.

Invest in barebones wooden camp shelters that will last. Let the able-bodies homeless build them under a construction foreman's watchful eye. No frills. No cable TV. Each shelter should house at least 20 people. Stove. Refrigerator. Cots. Mattress. Community outhouses with running water and hot showers.

Will the taxpayer have to feed them too? No food unless the residents keep the camp grounds and shelters clean. Make them plant, maintain and harvest a veggie garden of massive size.

The problem is what do we do with those who won't do any of this?
fentanyl?
 
Old 07-27-2022, 12:34 PM
 
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There was a chapter about dealing with the homeless in "What the Dog Saw". IIRC a city figured out the cost to the taxpayer in police, emergency services, clean up yada yada.

The city purchased an old motel. Each homeless person got their own space. They also provided an onsite social worker to get the homeless on a schedule, make sure they have their medication if needed and off substances. Most were able to go to work. They lived there until they were on their feet enough to be self supporting.

But the good citizens of the town did not agree with the paying them to do nothing, so the program was stopped. The cost to the taxpayer was well below the cost of city services for those living on the streets.
 
Old 07-27-2022, 12:39 PM
 
Location: Kansas City, MISSOURI
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Put them out on inexpensive land outside the cities.
Provide medical professionals.
Build permanent bathrooms and other facilities.
Create thousands and thousands of high quality tents and move homeless people into them.
https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1552025520820338690

Wonder how his rural supporters feel about that.
This sounds like it would amount to forcible relocation?

Would never work. The homeless would just leave and go back to the city.
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