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Old 08-03-2022, 09:49 AM
 
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But yet you leftists had no trouble telling everyone that we had to get an experimental vaccine shot into our bodies, and in some of the cities.... no shots = no job = you can't go anywhere or do anything without your vaccine card. Kinda fails the logic test.

Women's right to choose = women's right to kill. Calling it like it is.
I don't know why they just won't admit that abortion kills. The aborted developing baby no longer continues to grow and develop. It dies. They have no problem with that so why do they shrink back from acknowledging that they're OK with killing another human life just for the sake of convenience?

 
Old 08-03-2022, 09:50 AM
 
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The same Kansas that went 56% Trump 35% Clinton in 2016, and 56% Trump 41% Biden in 2020?
Yes, the same Kansas that has a Democrat governor.
 
Old 08-03-2022, 09:52 AM
 
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The same Kansas that went 56% Trump 35% Clinton in 2016, and 56% Trump 41% Biden in 2020?

The same Kansas where the State House is 86 to 39 adv. Republicans and the Senate is 29 to 11 adv. Republicans? … That Kansas?
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Why do you attribute the high turnout to the abortion question and not simply the enthusiasm for Kansas to get rid of its terrible democrat governor?

Republicans turned out in much higher numbers than Democrats in Kansas yesterday (obviously).

while we wait for real turnout and voter demographic info, to conclude that R's turned out en masse for the R Governor primary yet the same R's voted to NOT Amend their constitution tells me at best there must be a ton of moderate R's and/or "Constitutional conservatives" in Kansas.
 
Old 08-03-2022, 09:56 AM
 
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while we wait for real turnout and voter demographic info, to conclude that R's turned out en masse for the R Governor primary yet the same R's voted to NOT Amend their constitution tells me at best there must be a ton of moderate R's and/or "Constitutional conservatives" in Kansas.
or young women who are hesitant to turn over their most personal health decisions to the religious right.
 
Old 08-03-2022, 09:58 AM
 
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while we wait for real turnout and voter demographic info, to conclude that R's turned out en masse for the R Governor primary yet the same R's voted to NOT Amend their constitution tells me at best there must be a ton of moderate R's and/or "Constitutional conservatives" in Kansas.
What seems to be lost in this is that there actually is no enumerated right to abortion in the Kansas constitution. It's just that the Kansas Supreme Court has previously ruled that the state constitution can be interpreted that way, for now. A subsequent state supreme court could see it very differently, mirroring the Roe decision and the current SCOTUS's Dobbs decision.
 
Old 08-03-2022, 09:59 AM
 
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or young women.
young women registered Republicans? It would likely be the 1 state in the US with that demographic.
 
Old 08-03-2022, 10:00 AM
 
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or young women
Or men who want to keep being able to "raw dog" with no consequences to themselves. By the way, the ubiquitous lack of use of birth control has resulted in record high STD cases:

https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2021/p0413-stds.html
 
Old 08-03-2022, 10:18 AM
 
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while we wait for real turnout and voter demographic info, to conclude that R's turned out en masse for the R Governor primary yet the same R's voted to NOT Amend their constitution tells me at best there must be a ton of moderate R's and/or "Constitutional conservatives" in Kansas.
You can't spin what happened in Kansas. It is as red of a state you can find. The ballot was specifically about keeping abortion rights in the Kansas constitution. If it barely passed with low turnout, then you could pooh pooh it away. It was the record turnout that spells trouble for the GOP. People who said overturning Roe and Dobbs will not drive turnout are unambiguously wrong. The GOP is divided.

https://morningshots.thebulwark.com/...SigningIn=true

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But look at the numbers. As expected, turnout in the Republican gubernatorial primary was much higher than in the Democratic primary—roughly 450,000 to 275,000, with some precincts still to be counted. But turnout on the ballot measure blew those numbers away. More than 900,000 people voted on the abortion question. Even if you assume that everyone who voted in the Democratic gubernatorial primary also voted for the ballot measure, that leaves more than 250,000 “no” votes—roughly half the “no” constituency—that didn’t come from Democrats. And even if every “yes” vote on the ballot measure came from a Republican, that leaves at least 75,000 people who voted in the GOP gubernatorial primary but didn’t support the ballot measure.

This wasn’t just a backlash from the left or the center-left. It’s a warning that Republicans are divided on abortion

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Old 08-03-2022, 10:57 AM
 
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You can't spin what happened in Kansas. It is as red of a state you can find.
With a Democrat governor? LOL... no.
 
Old 08-03-2022, 10:59 AM
 
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The ballot was specifically about keeping abortion rights in the Kansas constitution.
Again for the slow crowd... There actually is no enumerated right to abortion in the Kansas constitution. It's just that the Kansas Supreme Court has previously ruled that the state constitution can be interpreted that way, for now. A subsequent state supreme court could see it very differently, mirroring the Roe decision and the current SCOTUS's Dobbs decision overturning it.
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