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Old 07-31-2022, 06:22 PM
 
Location: South of Heaven
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I don't like this quote. Whenever someone does something crappy that turns in to a viral video there's always someone who thinks they're clever who cites this quote. I don't think it's clever though. It's like saying that whenever someone has a bad moment or a weak moment, you should let that moment define them, and there should be no hope of redemption.
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Old 07-31-2022, 06:30 PM
 
Location: A Nation Possessed
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I don't like this quote. Whenever someone does something crappy that turns in to a viral video there's always someone who thinks they're clever who cites this quote. I don't think it's clever though. It's like saying that whenever someone has a bad moment or a weak moment, you should let that moment define them, and there should be no hope of redemption.
First time is a heads up. Repeated, habitual behavior is a clear indicator.

If trashiness is an ongoing, common trait in someone, then I must conclude that person is trashy. But yes, good people can have bad moments. It's the repetition that makes the difference.
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Old 07-31-2022, 06:34 PM
 
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I don't like this quote. Whenever someone does something crappy that turns in to a viral video there's always someone who thinks they're clever who cites this quote. I don't think it's clever though. It's like saying that whenever someone has a bad moment or a weak moment, you should let that moment define them, and there should be no hope of redemption.
It’s not a matter of “redemption” — it’s a matter of paying attention.
The quote is valid — it’s not “clever”, irs actually showing who a person is and what they are capable of.

It DOES. Show who they are.
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Old 07-31-2022, 06:34 PM
 
Location: South of Heaven
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First time is a heads up. Repeated, habitual behavior is a clear indicator.

If trashiness is an ongoing, common trait in someone, then I must conclude that person is trashy. But yes, good people can have bad moments. It's the repetition that makes the difference.
Yeah I see what you're saying. If they show you who they are over and over again then you gotta take notice. It seems when people cite that quote they are often referring to one time occurrences though.
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Old 07-31-2022, 06:34 PM
 
Location: USA
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I tend to go by this motto. However, as Chris C states, first time is a heads up. Then it's "trust, but verify", and "follow your gut".
The reasoning that I don't ascribe to is when someone tries to explain away an unacceptable comment or tirade by saying, "Oh, he/she didn't mean it; he/she was drunk". Liquor = the world's oldest truth serum.
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Old 07-31-2022, 06:36 PM
 
Location: South of Heaven
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It’s not a matter of “redemption” — it’s a matter of paying attention.
The quote is valid — it’s not “clever”, irs actually showing who a person is and what they are capable of.

It DOES. Show who they are.
Or it shows that they had a bad day and you caught them at a weak moment. I agree if it appears to be a pattern it's more telling though.
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Old 07-31-2022, 06:39 PM
 
Location: South of Heaven
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I tend to go by this motto. However, as Chris C states, first time is a heads up. Then it's "trust, but verify", and "follow your gut".
The reasoning that I don't ascribe to is when someone tries to explain away an unacceptable comment or tirade by saying, "Oh, he/she didn't mean it; he/she was drunk". Liquor = the world's oldest truth serum.
When people's bad behavior is a result of liquor consumption that tends to be a regular occurrence though. I'd forgive someone for one drunken tirade but I'd keep an eye on them next time I saw them where liquor was involved.
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Old 07-31-2022, 06:42 PM
 
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I don't like this quote.

Well, the corporate media and the Deep State kinda told us who they were during the COVID thing. (Lockdowns, riots, mandates etc.)


So there's that.
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Old 07-31-2022, 06:52 PM
 
Location: Michigan
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I agree with the quote generally. What Angelou was trying to say, IMO, was, if someone tells you this is who they are, you are in the wrong to assume something different, although I think there is a caveat that isn't spoken. The sentiment works when someone says something negative about himself/herself, not when someone says something positive. Generally speaking, it is fair to assume that if someone says something negative about himself/herself, it's because it is true. And in that case, you have only yourself to blame if you don't take them at their work. However, someone who has nothing but positive things to say about himself/herself - well, that's different, because there are various motivations for that. So for me the obvious interpretation is, if someone tells you that he or she is an "$T$T^$%" you should believe that person.
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Old 07-31-2022, 07:05 PM
 
Location: South of Heaven
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I agree with the quote generally. What Angelou was trying to say, IMO, was, if someone tells you this is who they are, you are in the wrong to assume something different, although I think there is a caveat that isn't spoken. The sentiment works when someone says something negative about himself/herself, not when someone says something positive. Generally speaking, it is fair to assume that if someone says something negative about himself/herself, it's because it is true. And in that case, you have only yourself to blame if you don't take them at their work. However, someone who has nothing but positive things to say about himself/herself - well, that's different, because there are various motivations for that. So for me the obvious interpretation is, if someone tells you that he or she is an "$T$T^$%" you should believe that person.
Maybe the quote is just misused.
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