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Old 08-02-2022, 05:47 PM
 
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one the HR is passed, then we can move to change/amend/revoke the 16th.. it takes time....why do you liberals think everything should be right away


and fix your bold... consumption of NEW goods

the fairtax is very conservative and conservational.... unlike what you liberals want of never ending taxes and screw the middleclass
My goodness, you are really cracking me up. You want the 23 percent tax adopted now and promise to end Congress' power to lay and collect income taxes later.

'I'd gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today '
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You really are funny!
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Old 08-02-2022, 07:02 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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My goodness, you are really cracking me up. You want the 23 percent tax adopted now and promise to end Congress' power to lay and collect income taxes later.

'I'd gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today '
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You really are funny!
congress can change the entire tax laws... congress always has the power (its in the ORIGINAL constitution) to lay taxes... the income tax was brought on us through the 16th amendment by the very liberal Wilson in the 1910's

if congress was to adopt the fairtax and eliminate the income tax they can.... what you keep talking about is abolishing the 16th amendment, that my friend takes a constitutional convention (ratification by the states)

just like congress can with this crap "inflation reduction bill" they can choose to add/subtract any ALLOWABLE taxes... the liberals like you are the ones who fight a fairtax or a flat tax, because it takes the POWER of the liberals away...

while the fairtax is not perfect, it certainly is better than the political circus we have now with income tax..... btw did you know that a majority (51%) of income is never reported......you guys scream about exxon or the billionaires not paying, based on income...well they would be paying more if taxes were based on spending, instead of income-vs-earned income-vs-losses
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Old 08-02-2022, 08:42 PM
 
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Default the fairtax does not end taxes calculated from income

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I understand what the proponents of the fair tax want, but that's not what they would get. What they would get would be even worse than what we have now.

You are absolutely correct. In addition to the 23 percent tax created by the fairtax, the supporters of the alleged faitax would soon be surprised and stunned to find out Congress may lay and collect excise taxes calculated from income which is a power Congress had even before the 16th Amendment was adopted. To verify the fact Congress had power to lay and collect an excise tax calculated from income before the adoption of the 16th Amendment see Flint v. Stone Tracy Co., 220 U.S. 107 (1911)

The whole nonsense about the fairtax closing down the IRS is an illusion that laying and collecting taxes calculated from income is ended. Yes, the fairTax does close down the IRS, but in its place two new tax collecting agencies are created, one of which is the “Excise Tax Bureau” and nowhere is it restricted in the language of the fairtax from laying and collecting excise taxes calculated from income, which liberals need to fund their socialist spending spree which never ends.

As I correctly pointed out elsewhere, the shiny object used to delude fairtax supporters is the illusion that the fairtax ends the miseries connected to the IRS and taxes calculated from income, when in fact it does not!

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Old 08-03-2022, 06:29 AM
 
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... the income tax was brought on us through the 16th amendment by the very liberal Wilson in the 1910's
Congress had the power to lay and collect a tax calculated from income before the 16th Amendment was adopted. And to remove that power and end the miseries suffer under that notoriously inherent evil type of tax, the following 32 words need to be added to our Constitution:


The Sixteenth Amendment is hereby repealed, and Congress is henceforth forbidden to lay ``any`` tax or burden calculated from profits, gains, interest, salaries, wages, tips, inheritances or any other lawfully realized money.



Adopting the above words into our Constitution would return us to our Constitution's original tax plan which provides checks and balances to control the actions of Congress, necessary for good government.

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Old 08-03-2022, 07:18 AM
 
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Congress had the power to lay and collect a tax calculated from income before the 16th Amendment was adopted. And to remove that power and end the miseries suffer under that notoriously inherent evil type of tax, the following 32 words need to be added to our Constitution:


The Sixteenth Amendment is hereby repealed, and Congress is henceforth forbidden to lay ``any`` tax or burden calculated from profits, gains, interest, salaries, wages, tips, inheritances or any other lawfully realized money.



Adopting the above words into our Constitution would return us to our Constitution's original tax plan which provides checks and balances to control the actions of Congress, necessary for good government.

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ok...then instead of posting here, why not email the author of the bill and suggest they add that.
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Old 08-03-2022, 07:31 AM
 
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I wasn’t aware of this pledge, but about 15 years ago, I read the FairTax book that outlined the plan.

The one thing I really like about it is that EVERYONE pays SOMETHING, at least at the federal level, and that the tax code would be massively simplified and possibly less open to manipulation by politicians.

I like that aspect of it, at least. Not sure what details have changed now. But at the end of the day, it’s an idea. Doesn’t mean it’s going to become law.
So you are OK with paying $23,000 in Federal sales tax when you buy a $100,000 house? Or $4600 in Federal sales tax when you buy a $20,000 car?

The so called Fair Tax is one of the stupidest things I've ever heard of.
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Old 08-03-2022, 07:34 AM
 
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the fairtax DOES eliminate the 16th amendment

https://www.moneycrashers.com/fair-t...ned-pros-cons/
No, the Fair Tax does NOT eliminate the 16th Amendment. Amendments cannot be eliminated by legislation. Eliminating an Amendment requires the same process as adding an amendment, including the 3/4 vote of approval from the States and the 2/3 approval by Congress.
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Old 08-03-2022, 07:53 AM
 
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So you are OK with paying $23,000 in Federal sales tax when you buy a $100,000 house? Or $4600 in Federal sales tax when you buy a $20,000 car?

The so called Fair Tax is one of the stupidest things I've ever heard of.
only on a new house or car..... previously owned= no tax
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Old 08-03-2022, 08:36 AM
 
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ok...then instead of posting here, why not email the author of the bill and suggest they add that.

You posted something inaccurate, and I thought you would appreciate knowing the truth.

Congress had the power to lay and collect a tax calculated from income before the 16th Amendment was adopted.
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Old 08-03-2022, 09:14 AM
 
Location: Free From The Oppressive State
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that;s what you have currently... everyone must file a 1099... the liberals like you have been trying to tax the gig economy (too include uber) for years

with the fairtax, which is a SPENDING/consumption/sales tax ON RETAIL NEW items...they have no strings to pull in what happens between you and me for fixing your car.... we are ALLOWED to barter if we want...and fixing your car...is NOT A NEW item, which is what the fairtax is about... now when I go down to ABC Car parts and get that head gasket, yes I will pay a sales tax (fairtax) on said head gasket (which the list price will be 30% cheaper, because the fair tax ELIMINATED all the built in taxes that we business people ALREADY have to pay up front)

I too have been researching this for 20+ years... and you liberals are always saying "it will hurt the poor"...then I say what about the prebate and liberals stutter and drool, and sound like Obama when he doesnt have a teleprompter
We already are, and have been, for decades. Are we sure it was just the liberals? Or was it government, overall?

I have been doing the gig economy for 2 + years now. I have to fill out a return every year. Same as it was in the 90s when I was an IC courier.

Not sure why you're blaming this on liberals. It has been this way since I've been old enough to work and file taxes. It's just plain old government finding every possible way to take our money.

Not sure how this 'fair tax' would change any of that.
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