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Because nothing could stop me me from getting pregnant for 18 years, that's why. Not BC, not an IUD, nothing. I just get pregnant super easily. And I am personally against abortion. I couldn't live with myself had I ever had an abortion. So I had every child I was pregnant with instead of killing them.
The people that plan are the people who haven't had it happen yet. I can't think of anybody I know who actually sat down & planned #3, or # 4. Nobody I know who has had multiple pregnancies planned them, they were just opposed to ending them.
Yeah, it's called unprotected sex. Let's call it what it is, you are not special. You had sex without (ETA: the appropriate levels of) birth control or contraceptives, and your hubby/BF's pull-out game was ineffective.
Yeah, it's called unprotected sex. Let's call it what it is, you are not special. You had sex without birth control or contraceptives, and your hubby/BF's pull-out game was ineffective.
, indeed. I don't think you read past the first sentence of her post! She literally said she used birth control, and an IUD specifically. I would assume she tried other kinds of birth control also. And she said nothing about pulling out or other faux methods of preventing pregnancy.
At least if you are going to attack and insult people, read what they wrote first.
Some people get women despite using birth control, you know. Nothing is 100%. Isn't that one of the points the pro-choice crowd is fond of making? We need to allow abortion as a means of birth control because other methods fail? And it's also true that some women are definitely more fertile than others.
, indeed. I don't think you read past the first sentence of her post! She literally said she used birth control, and an IUD specifically. I would assume she tried other kinds of birth control also. And she said nothing about pulling out or other faux methods of preventing pregnancy.
At least if you are going to attack and insult people, read what they wrote first.
Some people get women despite using birth control, you know. Nothing is 100%. Isn't that one of the points the pro-choice crowd is fond of making? We need to allow abortion as a means of birth control because other methods fail? And it's also true that some women are definitely more fertile than others.
An IUD is more than 99% effective at preventing pregnancy. That, combined with a condom, should have been more than enough to prevent her from popping out children uncontrollably as she describes. Or...she could have had her tubes tied after # 1 or #2 given her understanding of her rampant fertility. Or...he could have had a vasectomy. Pretending like this was an inevitable and unpreventable curse thrust upon her is part of the bigger problem. People go around pretending these happy little accidents are god's gift to them and humanity despite the strain it might put on them and the rest of society to support them. It's not magic how this happens. It's not god's plan. It's basic science melded with personal choices.
For instance, if my wife were to get pregnant with her IUD in tact, then we would have the wherewithal to understand that we need to up our birth control game to prevent the next unforeseen birth. Whether that be condoms, or the big V, we would figure that problem out real quick, well before it got to #2 or #3 or #4.
Pretending like this was an inevitable and unpreventable curse thrust upon her is part of the bigger problem. People go around pretending these happy little accidents are god's gift to them and humanity despite the strain it might put on them and the rest of society to support them.
She didn't say it was a curse. I myself was one of seven children. We were not all planned, but we were all wanted, and we were all loved and cared for.
Those burdensome children, whom you say society has to support, are the ones we are counting on to support us in the future. In first-world countries, dropping birth rates are considered a problem. Keep that in mind.
She didn't say it was a curse. I myself was one of seven children. We were not all planned, but we were all wanted, and we were all loved and cared for.
Those burdensome children, whom you say society has to support, are the ones we are counting on to support us in the future. In first-world countries, dropping birth rates are considered a problem. Keep that in mind.
And I didn't say they weren't loved or cared for either. But as someone who grew up in a lower middle class family of six, I'm not gonna sit here and pretend it doesn't create a strain on the family or the system either. Though my conservative right wing father doesn't like to admit it, we were on all the public welfare programs afforded to us, including WIC and free/reduced lunch and gift donations during the holidays. He was also up to his eyeballs in credit card debt until only a few years ago, well into his 60s, so that he could afford to support us all. He is the antithesis of conservative personal responsibility ideology that he clings to. Ironically, it's his most "liberal" son who is concerned with such things as not going into debt, being able to provide for my children so they can hit the ground running into adulthood, etc.
The declining birth rate is not exactly a concerning topic either. It's only natural as technology advances. We no longer need 12 children to mind the pigs and the cows and the chickens in our agrarian society. The vast majority of the workforce will likely be displaced by robots and AI in 30-50 years.
Let's stop pretending like someone's selfish decision to make a "mini-me" to play dress up with, to showcase to others, and to create memories with was made for the betterment of society and with the welfare of the child in mind.
At the end of the day, it boils down to this for me. If you are not able to provide for your family ALL the tools and resources they need to be successful as an adult, then you are not doing them any favors. You do not understand what you are putting them through, and I say this from first hand experience. I spent my 20s miserable and stressed and unprepared for the world. I had zero guidance from my parents on college, how to pay, what to major in, what careers to look into. It took over a decade to dig myself out of the hole that they created for me by not giving me these tools. I know that is not exactly what you wish for your children, but let me be very clear; that is exactly the position you are leaving them in. I would not wish it on anyone else. I love my parents and I do not resent them, but they did not do me any favors with their lack of resources in this modern world.
This isn't a new sentiment at all. For a long time now, couples have been getting sterilized so there would be no chance. Imagine in the 60s and 70s young couples were worried about the same thing. The world then was more like Eden compared to now but they thought the world was a horrible, disgusting, and poisonous place on the brink of annihilation.
What about the beautiful experiences babies have on planet Earth with flowers and berries, puppies and kittens, sunshine and Love. And when they are young adults they fall in love, make babies and experience that unique love relationship with their baby and their baby with them. I wouldn't want to deprive any soul of the opportunity to know such beauty.
And today's babies are going to experience more pandemics, droughts, severe weather, substance abuse, crime, food shortages, and other things no children should have to deal with. These things are a package deal and are all going to happen together. And if the goal is so they have the chance to make even more babies, then this is a cycle that needs to be broken. We're going to hit 8B people in another 4 years. This growth is not sustainable.
What a foolish comment, as if Democrats and others couldn't possibly believe in the value of human life.
As for the OP's original comment, not everyone is an extreme pessimist. Even the leaders of the CCP in China have admitted their one child policy was a mistake. Instead of blaming parents for having children because they can't afford them, maybe we should blame those who allowed housing, fuel and groceries to inflate to extremely high prices that many can't afford.
I personally wanted to find my soulmate; get married and have children so we can live happily every after but would limit it to two. Anything over that is all about ego imo. This isn't the stone age where birth control is not available and studies have shown the higher education the lower amount of children born into that family.
Well, if you believe in the AGCC/AGW hoax, it's probably not going to persuade you that your other concerns are equally unfounded.
As to "affording" children, don't you ever wonder how folks 120 years ago "afforded" 10 - 12 children with only ONE parent working?
Perhaps it has to do with the socialist tax system grabbing 44% of the GDP (local, state and federal).
Perhaps it has to do with the debauched money token system that keeps devaluing... or triggering inflation.
Perhaps it has to do with a corrupt government that penalizes frugality and subsidizes waste.
Perhaps it has to do with a healthcare system that is entirely warped by government. Remember, as long as government criminalizes the unlicensed trade in care and medicine, it will be an expensive privilege. And add in "insurance" scammers, who skim a hefty 3 billion / annum from the patients (or whoever is stuck paying the bill) and you can really see "red".
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