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Old 08-06-2022, 06:19 PM
 
Location: CO/UT/AZ/NM Catch me if you can!
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Folks around here never seem to tire of posting that blue cities have more crime than red ones do. However if you analyze America's crime rate by state or region rather than by city alone, an entirely different picture emerges.

According to The Hill, in 2020 homicide rates were a stunning 40 percent higher in the 25 states that former President Donald Trump won compared to the 25 won by current President Joe Biden. Of the 10 states with the highest 2020 per capita murder rates in America, eight of them not only voted for Trump in 2016 and 2020, they voted Republican in every presidential election this century.

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Mississippi — a state that neither conjures up weak on crime images nor Democratic officeholders — topped the charts with a 2020 murder rate twice that of blue Illinois, thrice that of bluer California, and four times that of bluest New York. The red states of Louisiana, Kentucky, Alabama and Missouri rounded out the top five and each had murder rates at least six times Massachusetts, four times New Jersey and just shy of twice that of Michigan. These blue states are home to the “crime-is-out-of-control” cities you read about daily — Chicago, Los Angeles, New York City, Boston, Newark and Detroit. They generate the headlines, the outrage and the political backlash.

Yet, media coverage is essentially mum about Lexington, Kentucky, which has set back-to-back murder records, has a homicide rate twice that of New York City and has a Republican mayor. Tulsa and Oklahoma City have Republican mayors, a Republican governor and murder rates that dwarf that of Los Angeles. Jacksonville was the murder capital of Florida in 2020 with its Republican mayor, governor and a stratospheric homicide rate that if it were matched in New York City would’ve added more than 1,000 murders that year.
There is seldom a national crime discussion in America that is civil and based on the actual facts of the matter. The media slant that always focuses on urban blue state crime tells us more about lazy and biased reporting more than it does anything else.

If the yardstick is homicide, Republicans do a far better job of talking about stopping crime than actually stopping it — and it seems much of the press seems to buy it.

 
Old 08-06-2022, 06:25 PM
 
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The Hill?
 
Old 08-06-2022, 06:28 PM
 
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The reason? Governors in Red states are soft on crime. Culture wars are more important to them.
 
Old 08-06-2022, 06:30 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Colorado Rambler View Post
Folks around here never seem to tire of posting that blue cities have more crime than red ones do. However if you analyze America's crime rate by state or region rather than by city alone, an entirely different picture emerges.

According to The Hill, in 2020 homicide rates were a stunning 40 percent higher in the 25 states that former President Donald Trump won compared to the 25 won by current President Joe Biden. Of the 10 states with the highest 2020 per capita murder rates in America, eight of them not only voted for Trump in 2016 and 2020, they voted Republican in every presidential election this century.



There is seldom a national crime discussion in America that is civil and based on the actual facts of the matter. The media slant that always focuses on urban blue state crime tells us more about lazy and biased reporting more than it does anything else.

If the yardstick is homicide, Republicans do a far better job of talking about stopping crime than actually stopping it — and it seems much of the press seems to buy it.
Massachusetts is like entirely compromised of middle aged white people. Totally different demographics in Kentucky and Louisiana. You can also find tons of red states with a very few homicides, like South Dakota or Wyoming and a whole hell of a lot of Democrat controlled cities with horrible homicide rates.
 
Old 08-06-2022, 06:43 PM
 
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Folks around here never seem to tire of posting that blue cities have more crime than red ones do. However if you analyze America's crime rate by state or region rather than by city alone, an entirely different picture emerges.

According to The Hill, in 2020 homicide rates were a stunning 40 percent higher in the 25 states that former President Donald Trump won compared to the 25 won by current President Joe Biden. Of the 10 states with the highest 2020 per capita murder rates in America, eight of them not only voted for Trump in 2016 and 2020, they voted Republican in every presidential election this century.



There is seldom a national crime discussion in America that is civil and based on the actual facts of the matter. The media slant that always focuses on urban blue state crime tells us more about lazy and biased reporting more than it does anything else.

If the yardstick is homicide, Republicans do a far better job of talking about stopping crime than actually stopping it — and it seems much of the press seems to buy it.
Thread fail. LoL. Thanks for the amazing laugh. Seriously, let’s be honest for a minute. Which party has been in charge of the cities in those states with the highest murder rate? And have for years and in comes cases decades. Here’s a hint…it don’t start with R.

Mayors of New Orleans, Birmingham, St. Louis, Kansas City all democrats. If you want to go to the next round of cities, Chicago, NY, LA, Seattle, Portland, etc., all run by democrats.

There is crime in republican run cities too, but they are much tougher on crime or at least have been in the past. That is just a fact. It took a republican to clean up NYC and now democrats are letting crime sneak in again.
 
Old 08-06-2022, 06:52 PM
 
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I think "demographics" is the answer you are looking for in some of these red vs. blue state comparisons. It's quite ludicrous when you start comparing Oregon with Mississippi or even with Illinois and think it's politics that drive some of the differences.

The homicide rate in the black population is about 6.5 times higher than the white population. Whites make up about 58% of the population and commit 41% of the murders, while blacks make up about 12% of the population and commit 56% of the murders. Mississippi has a black population of 38%, Illinois has a black population of 12%, Oregon has a black population of 2%.

There is a reason you have to congregate homicide stats for an entire state and that's to get all those red counties where the homicide rates are much lower. Then somehow you can claim victory in the homicide race.

I now live in Minnesota and people here constantly say how bad Texas is, how it's dangerous. They're not aware that Minneapolis has a murder rate higher than any city in Texas, including Houston. Yes, if you look at it by state, Minnesota looks safe, it's an illusion. The red counties away from Minneapolis are very safe, the police-hating, blue-voting city of Minneapolis is not safe at all.
 
Old 08-06-2022, 06:56 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Colorado Rambler View Post
Folks around here never seem to tire of posting that blue cities have more crime than red ones do. However if you analyze America's crime rate by state or region rather than by city alone, an entirely different picture emerges.

According to The Hill, in 2020 homicide rates were a stunning 40 percent higher in the 25 states that former President Donald Trump won compared to the 25 won by current President Joe Biden. Of the 10 states with the highest 2020 per capita murder rates in America, eight of them not only voted for Trump in 2016 and 2020, they voted Republican in every presidential election this century.



There is seldom a national crime discussion in America that is civil and based on the actual facts of the matter. The media slant that always focuses on urban blue state crime tells us more about lazy and biased reporting more than it does anything else.

If the yardstick is homicide, Republicans do a far better job of talking about stopping crime than actually stopping it — and it seems much of the press seems to buy it.

Cities are much more influenced in their crime activity by the mayors and administrators of the cities than by which state they are in. You can have a sh!thole of a city in an otherwise safe state. Here are the 20 worst US cities (with over 200,000 population) listed by the murder rates from highest to lowest.

Question: How many of these 20 cities are run by Republican mayors and Republican administrations?

Answer: One, Indianapolis, and that's only because they elect a "County" mayor for the whole county, not just the city. None of the Republican led cities mentioned by the OP even made the worst 20 list in murder rates.


Population Number Of Murders Murder Rate Percentage Higher Than National Average
1. St. Louis 301,578 263 87.21 1341.66%
2. Birmingham 200,733 122 60.78 935.03%
3. Baltimore 575,584 335 58.20 895.41%
4. Memphis 633,104 332 52.44 806.77%
5. Detroit 639,111 328 51.32 789.56%
6. New Orleans 383,997 195 50.78 781.26%
7. Cleveland 372,624 177 47.50 730.78%
8. Baton Rouge 227,470 100 43.96 676.34%
9. Kansas City 508,090 176 34.64 532.92%
10. Dayton 137,644 47 34.15 525.32%
11. Milwaukee 577,222 191 33.09 509.07%
12. Philadelphia 1,579,000 499 31.60 486.19%
13. Cincinnati 309,317 97 31.36 482.45%
14. San Bernardino 222,101 68 30.62 471.03%
15. Washington, D.C. 692,683 198 28.58 439.76%
16. Chicago 2,710,000 774 28.56 439.40%
17. Indianapolis 864,447 245 28.34 436.03%
18. Oakland 440,646 102 23.15 356.12%
19. Newark 311,549 51 16.37 251.84%
20. Albuquerque 564,559 76 13.46 207.11%


https://vanlifewanderer.com/2021/12/...t-murder-rate/

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Old 08-06-2022, 06:57 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Originally Posted by Colorado Rambler View Post
Folks around here never seem to tire of posting that blue cities have more crime than red ones do. However if you analyze America's crime rate by state or region rather than by city alone, an entirely different picture emerges.

According to The Hill, in 2020 homicide rates were a stunning 40 percent higher in the 25 states that former President Donald Trump won compared to the 25 won by current President Joe Biden. Of the 10 states with the highest 2020 per capita murder rates in America, eight of them not only voted for Trump in 2016 and 2020, they voted Republican in every presidential election this century.



There is seldom a national crime discussion in America that is civil and based on the actual facts of the matter. The media slant that always focuses on urban blue state crime tells us more about lazy and biased reporting more than it does anything else.

If the yardstick is homicide, Republicans do a far better job of talking about stopping crime than actually stopping it — and it seems much of the press seems to buy it.
Mayors control their cities, not governors.

If the local DA is a soft on crime, what can the governor do? If a Democrat mayor instructs the police not prosecute shoplifters and go easy on other criminals, and changes law enforcement policies, does it matter if the governor is a Republican?
 
Old 08-06-2022, 07:00 PM
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'Opinion piece'
Get real.
 
Old 08-06-2022, 07:31 PM
 
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Quoting The Hill? Lol.

Might as well quote Stacey Abrams on the topic of "Is Beef Brisket Healthy?"
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