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Old 08-11-2022, 07:45 PM
 
Location: On the Chesapeake
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Remember when people lived below their means and didn’t get into massive debt?

That’s long gone because consumerism has consumed Americans while they blame it on wages.


https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/15/y...-interest.html
A three, maybe, bedroom house, the average size of which is half or less of the average today.
One car.
One bathroom.
Restaurant meals were a rarity and treat.
One phone.
One TV.
Vacations were typically by car and low cost. No ski trips to Gstaad or European tours. No flying to Florida for a long weekend.
No designer clothes.
Summer camps were usually the Scouts.

I could go on.
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Old 08-12-2022, 03:16 AM
 
Location: Florida
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So? Live a life your wage can support or start your own business.

I am glad that you conveniently ignore every ignorant point you said.
I own rental properties that contribute about $3 million in revenue and make I $300,000 annually as a mechanical engineer in an aerospace company. And I get slammed like there is no tomorrow with taxes and regulations. Most of it aimed at these programs that are stifling the wages in this country and in turn, are restricting the growth of this country.

I'm a real liberal and civil rights activist that see the problems in our institutions. Major problem is these programs that exist are destroying this country. Section 8 is the reason why rent is skyrocketing. Section 8 is giving an average of $1500 in rent vouchers for those who are eligible for the program. These assistant programs are mostly aimed at the single moms, affirmative action and immigrants. The rest fall in between the cracks and are left struggling. Either way, this is also the reason why so many women and immigrants are being hired because they are on these programs and can afford to be paid less in wages. And guess what, this decrease in wages is a reason why my taxes keep going up. Those people are not the ones filling the tax pool, it's people like me. And in the end, it's all so the big corporations can have cheap labor when they can't outsource their workforce to China. Worse yet is the inception of the H1B1 work visa where major companies like Disney will use them to take advantage of cheap labor. These same companies then cry when no one goes to see their movies and don't realize it's because they terminated the people that would most likely pay the money to go see their films.
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Old 08-12-2022, 03:28 AM
 
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Worse yet is the inception of the H1B1 work visa where major companies like Disney will use them to take advantage of cheap labor. These same companies then cry when no one goes to see their movies and don't realize it's because they terminated the people that would most likely pay the money to go see their films.
In 2018, Disney hired 48 H1B employees and in 2019 they hired 58 H1B employees. I looked at pre-covid years because the numbers are much further reduced in 2020 and 2021. These are not significant for a company of that size. This is across Disney, as well as subsidiaries. The data is from actual H1B filings that were certified and filled.
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Old 08-12-2022, 03:56 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Originally Posted by Rocko20 View Post
Remember when people lived below their means and didn’t get into massive debt?

That’s long gone because consumerism has consumed Americans while they blame it on wages.


https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/15/y...-interest.html
Like I said, the wages are not keeping up with the cost of inflation. When I was growing up in the 80's and 90's, my dad was a construction worker and managed to buy a house, a truck, a car, a boat, an RV and a couple of 3 wheelers for us kids, not to mention the dogs, cats, horses, etc, all on his paycheck where he worked an average of 5 days a week. He started at 4 AM and was home by 3:30. Now today, the construction workers I know are immigrants and they work every day except holidays and they live in apartments where it's their wife, 2 kids where the oldest is also working, and then they also have either a brother or BIL or a few friends living with them to keep up with the rent, and they all use the one vehicle to get around. My grandfather was an immigrant, and after about 5 years in the work force he was able to buy himself a small house to raise the family. I know several older immigrants where they too had the same privileges. But since the 2000's, it's become tough for the working class. If you didn't already have a leg up from a previous generation building the blocks of life, you are going to find it difficult in this country. I guess it's why tent cities have become so prominent. Back in the past, people at least could afford an RV or trailer, but thanks to the government over regulating those, they too become too expensive for the working class.
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Old 08-12-2022, 04:03 AM
 
Location: Florida
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In 2018, Disney hired 48 H1B employees and in 2019 they hired 58 H1B employees. I looked at pre-covid years because the numbers are much further reduced in 2020 and 2021. These are not significant for a company of that size. This is across Disney, as well as subsidiaries. The data is from actual H1B filings that were certified and filled.
Have you been to Disney World lately? It's nothing but H1B1 workers. Reason I know about any of this is because I work with a guy who used to work with the pyrotechnics at the park and he was given an offer. Take a $10,000 pay out along with $50,000 worth of Disney stock to train his H1B1 replacement, or get nothing and be terminated immediately. He took the pay out. 10 years ago, he was making $100,000 a year working at Disney. Thank goodness he's a mechanical engineer so was able to be hired by my company at $200,000 a year, but his replacement at Disney came from India on a work student VISA and is only making $30,000 a year. And Disney has completely replaced all of it's maintenance laborers with H1B1 Visa holders at Disney World.
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Old 08-12-2022, 04:09 AM
 
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Have you been to Disney World lately? It's nothing but H1B1 workers. Reason I know about any of this is because I work with a guy who used to work with the pyrotechnics at the park and he was given an offer. Take a $10,000 pay out along with $50,000 worth of Disney stock to train his H1B1 replacement, or get nothing and be terminated immediately. He took the pay out. 10 years ago, he was making $100,000 a year working at Disney. Thank goodness he's a mechanical engineer so was able to be hired by my company at $200,000 a year, but his replacement at Disney came from India on a work student VISA and is only making $30,000 a year. And Disney has completely replaced all of it's maintenance laborers with H1B1 Visa holders at Disney World.
I have not been to Disney World since 2019. How do you know that Disney hired these people? They probably just outsourced it.
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Old 08-12-2022, 04:14 AM
 
Location: Sector 001
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Personally I like "trickle up economics". That's when people who are born into poverty get a good education or learn a marketable skill so they can get a good job and contribute to society instead of being lazy losers blaming all of their problems on rich people while at the same time benefiting from the government programs made possible by the oppressive high taxes that those same rich people pay. That's what I did.

There's no incentive to work when government will pay you to do nothing. Democrats don't understand pavlonian conditioning. Many of them feel entitled to lifetime UBI because work is hard. Visit reddit or other far left forums where the true socialists reside. They are all about handouts.
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Old 08-12-2022, 04:42 AM
 
Location: Honolulu, HI
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Personally I like "trickle up economics". That's when people who are born into poverty get a good education or learn a marketable skill so they can get a good job and contribute to society instead of being lazy losers blaming all of their problems on rich people while at the same time benefiting from the government programs made possible by the oppressive high taxes that those same rich people pay. That's what I did.
That's correct.

Asian Americans, Jewish Americans, and African immigrants didn't wait for politicians to legislate them up the social ladder, nor did they use their skin color or ethnicity to be a perpetual victim. Trickle up economics is all around us, we just need the woke to open up their eyes.

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With the Jewish penchant to be drawn to white collar professional jobs and having excelled at intellectual pursuits, many Jews have also become been remarkably successful as an entrepreneurial and professional minority in the United States.[130] Many Jewish family businesses that are passed down from one generation to the next serve as an asset, source of income and layer a strong financial groundwork for the family's overall socioeconomic prosperity.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Americ...,_and_academia
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Asian Americans are sometimes characterized as a model minority in the United States because many of their cultures encourage a strong work ethic, a respect for elders, a high degree of professional and academic success, a high valuation of family, education and religion.[222] Statistics such as high household income and low incarceration rate,[223] low rates of many diseases, and higher than average life expectancy are also discussed as positive aspects of Asian Americans.
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African immigrants to the US are among the most educated groups in the United States. Some 48.9 percent of all African immigrants hold a college diploma.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Africa...nal_attainment
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Old 08-12-2022, 05:28 AM
 
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It is assumed that businesses, regardless of politics, will take the path of least resistance and self-interest. That is why loopholes must be systemically locked down for all.
"That is why loopholes must be systemically locked down for all."
Please explain to us exactly what a "loophole Is.

I want specifics NOT generalizations.

And what laws are they in.

And who wrote the law.

And who voted for it.

Who signed it into law.

Which presidents signed them into law.

If you are going to make a claim......!

There is "the law" and "no law exists".

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Old 08-12-2022, 05:36 AM
 
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Dems aren't the ones crying about all the immigrant workers. Even NAFTA, although signed by Bill Clinton, was the brain child of George Bush Sr. Reagan was the one to sign amnesty to millions of illegal immigrants. Nixon signed the EPA act and also started the negotiations with other countries to outsource American manufacturing. And make no mistake, I loathe the democrats.
"Dems aren't the ones crying about all the immigrant workers."


And NEITHER are the repubs.


You might want to look up the difference between "immigrant" and "ILLEGAL immigrant".
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