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Courts can say whether laws are constitutional or not. Roe vs Wade said banning abortion was unconstitutional. Thus, after Roe, states were forced to let abortion be legal. (until the 3rd trimester)
and the SCOTUS corrected itself, stating that medical procedures can not be guaranteed under the US constitution, IAW the 10th amendment it belongs in the state realm
I mean think about it...do we really want the FEDERAL to have total control of our PRIVATE bodies, telling us which medical procedures we are allowed to have or not have...
let's make Knee replacement a constitutional guarantee
let's make hip replacement a constitutional guarantee
the list could go on for 1000 pages....sorry but medical procedures/devices/prescriptions don't belong in the constitution
The referendum in Kansas was approved by the state legislature in early 2021, long before the Supreme Court overturned Roe vs Wade.
There's no reason the Indiana state legislature could not have put an issue on the November ballot, or even put it in some election next year.
when did the IN bill get introduced?
I appreciate you letting us know that Kansas scheduled their referendum > 15 months ago.
If 95% of people don't know the party of their legislator, what % of them do you think are smart enough to know that Roe itself was not some strict set of laws on where, when, how and what a woman must do before obtaining an abortion?
Before April of 2022, did some states have restrictions on abortion that had been deemed legal - whether that's some # of weeks (let's say 25), or that an MD must perform, or there was a waiting period, or that parents had to be notified should a daughter of an age threshold be pregnant and want an abortion?
If 95% of voters didn't care about restrictions 6 months ago, why would we believe some large % will care 3 months from now?
The referendum in Kansas was approved by the state legislature in early 2021, long before the Supreme Court overturned Roe vs Wade.
There's no reason the Indiana state legislature could not have put an issue on the November ballot, or even put it in some election next year.
to the bold....correct...and but that does not mean that the voters would not vote to partially ban....... look at what happened with Prop 8 in California a few years back (2008)
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Proposition 8, known informally as Prop 8, was a California ballot proposition and a state constitutional amendment intended to ban same-sex marriage; it passed in the November 2008 California state elections
hmmm California (yes far left Cali) the VOTERS banned same-sex marriage (it was overturned by the authoritarian courts, who took the PEOPLES democracy away
and the SCOTUS corrected itself, stating that medical procedures can not be guaranteed under the US constitution, IAW the 10th amendment it belongs in the state realm
I mean think about it...do we really want the FEDERAL to have total control of our PRIVATE bodies, telling us which medical procedures we are allowed to have or not have...
let's make Knee replacement a constitutional guarantee
let's make hip replacement a constitutional guarantee
the list could go on for 1000 pages....sorry but medical procedures/devices/prescriptions don't belong in the constitution
Using your argument, states should not be able to to have control over our medical procedures either.
Using your argument, states should not be able to to have control over our medical procedures either.
I agree.... put it on the ballot..... let the voters decide
or better yet... get the damn government out of our bodies... this is a decision that should be between my self and my doctor.......
.... so answer this, why is it the liberals, keep wanting an all powerful government, which has CONTROL over all aspects of our lives, to include medical and marriage???
I agree.... put it on the ballot..... let the voters decide
or better yet... get the damn government out of our bodies... this is a decision that should be between my self and my doctor.......
.... so answer this, why is it the liberals, keep wanting an all powerful government, which has CONTROL over all aspects of our lives, to include medical and marriage???
How is it control to promote a law that allows a medical procedure to be performed? How is it control to promote a law that allows same sex couple to marry?
In both cases, the idea is to preserve individual choice. Many of the Repubs are seeking to restrict personal choice.
As noted in the OP's article, it was passed in a special session of the state legislature. That special session began meeting in person July 25 - after Roe was overturned. They had plenty of time to put something on the fall ballot if they wanted to, or at least put it on the ballot sometime next year if they felt that timeline was too soon.
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I appreciate you letting us know that Kansas scheduled their referendum > 15 months ago.
And, Indiana could have put the issue on a referendum next year, waiting 15 months if needed.
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If 95% of people don't know the party of their legislator, what % of them do you think are smart enough to know that Roe itself was not some strict set of laws on where, when, how and what a woman must do before obtaining an abortion?
Before April of 2022, did some states have restrictions on abortion that had been deemed legal - whether that's some # of weeks (let's say 25), or that an MD must perform, or there was a waiting period, or that parents had to be notified should a daughter of an age threshold be pregnant and want an abortion?
If 95% of voters didn't care about restrictions 6 months ago, why would we believe some large % will care 3 months from now?
As I said in a previous post, Roe vs Wade forced states to let abortion be legal. On a state level, it was not as imperative an issue to voters because Roe had forced states to let it be legal. States could try to ban it or place severe restrictions on it, but as long as Roe was in force, those state laws could be overturned by courts. Now that the Supreme Court has overturned Roe, those protections are no longer in place. That's why you had such a huge turnout in Kansas, because now the voters knew their vote really meant something this time.
But since the Kansas vote went so overwhelmingly in favor of preserving the right to abortion, GOP lawmakers in Indiana are obviously afraid to put it directly to the voters. The Indiana legislature this week could have put it up for a referendum, either in the fall or next year, but obviously they're now afraid to.
How is it control to promote a law that allows a medical procedure to be performed? How is it control to promote a law that allows same sex couple to marry?
In both cases, the idea is to preserve individual choice. Many of the Repubs are seeking to restrict personal choice.
because if the government can allow (which could mean needs permission) then they also can deny....
look at the 2nd amendment (2nd in the bill of rights)... it specifically says "shall not be infringed"..... yet there are "people" who are constantly trying to infringe on what IS a constitutional right.... abortion (nor any other medical procedure) is NOT in the constitution, nor should it be
Voters didn't decide because it wasn't on the ballot.
Voters elected officials that are against abortion. If you're trying to make the argument that abortion wasn't on the ballot, then that is moot, because abortion is and has been illegal all along.
Killing children in the womb has been illegal the whole time. It's not complicated
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