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Old 08-08-2022, 04:39 AM
 
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Absolutely not. That was not the culture that existed in his day, or even my youth. But guns are the problem, not culture.

Perhaps addressing the root cause would be more effective.
No the culture is the problem.
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Old 08-08-2022, 05:13 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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In Texas we have a program that trains teachers to effectively use firearms should the need arise. Too bad there wasn't one or more in Uvalde.

Clearly as we've seen across schools and malls lately gun free zones sure as heck don't work.
Why do you expect that teachers will be more effective than trained police officers. Still don't understand why an AR-15 needs to be locked up at a school for police officers, that doesn't seem like it would work when they have a shooter on the campus.
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Old 08-08-2022, 05:38 AM
 
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Absolutely not. That was not the culture that existed in his day, or even my youth. But guns are the problem, not culture.

Perhaps addressing the root cause would be more effective.
Your logic here is abysmal. A re-write is likely in order.
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Old 08-08-2022, 05:44 AM
 
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Why do you expect that teachers will be more effective than trained police officers. Still don't understand why an AR-15 needs to be locked up at a school for police officers, that doesn't seem like it would work when they have a shooter on the campus.

1. Anti-gun people always want to pretend that non-LEOs cannot be effective with firearms in the face of bad actors. There are plenty of examples of regular people stopping armed aggressors.

2. In a smarter world we'd lock doors and have well armed police guarding our kids.

3. A teacher on scene with less training is more effective than the best trained cop miles away or waiting at the door.
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Old 08-08-2022, 05:46 AM
 
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What could go wrong?
Answer your own question. Go ahead.
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Old 08-08-2022, 05:55 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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Oh wow oh Gee. A deadly black war gun close to children. OMFG.
Maybe if the fliping cowards would get off there ass and do what they are paid for.
300 + LE responded in Uvalde. Lack of firepower and protective gear was not an issue.

https://www.texastribune.org/2022/06...ponse-records/
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Old 08-08-2022, 06:01 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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Police typically have access to all sorts of weapons that could be utilized effectively against a shooter armed with a high-capacity rifle. There's no particular need I see to actually store one of those in the school itself. Plus, the fact they've put them in a safe, stored in some room somewhere on site, makes the action even more bizarre. What if a shooter finds out where the safe is, then goes to that room and shoots everyone there, maybe finds out a way to open the safe and - voila! - now he's got an additional AR-15 he can use to shoot everyone up with.

There's just so much that can go wrong with that.
Who has the key to the gun safe this week?

The Sandy Hook shooter had no problem breaking into his mother’s gun safe. She became her son’s first victim before he quickly proceeded to the school.

Most mass shooters of random people don’t expect to survive.
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Old 08-08-2022, 06:03 AM
 
Location: U.S.
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You don't have to be "anti-gun" to realize this is a stupid idea. A shred of common sense goes a long way. This is all about pandering and posturing. Guess it's an election year after all.
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Old 08-08-2022, 06:03 AM
 
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What could go wrong?
What went WRONG in Texas?

"and also safes and breaching tools in the schools"


""The reason we put the breaching tools in the safes is that in the event we have someone barricaded in a door, we won't have to wait on the fire department to get there," Harwood said. "We'll have those tools to be able to breach that door if needed. I do not want to have to run back out to the car to grab an AR, because that's time lost. Hopefully we'll never need it, but I want my guys to be as prepared as prepared can be."
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Old 08-08-2022, 06:05 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Who has the key to the gun safe this week?

The Sandy Hook shooter had no problem breaking into his mother’s gun safe. She became her son’s first victim before he quickly proceeded to the school.

Most mass shooters of random people don’t expect to survive.
Bio metrics, that how you open a gun safe or access a firearm quickly.
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