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As I said, we will have to wait and see. One thing to keep in mind, what I'd posted about didn't come from some left-wing media unproven anonymous sourced info...so there's that.
Did you ever find that media outlet that doesn’t use anonymous sources?
We’re all still waiting so we can use them for reference.
Reasonable people who have already witnessed said boxes in the storage room in the presence of govt. officials whom they allowed to go through said boxes and discusssed with them putting extra security on the boxes........hmmm what would they do?
For myself, I would post haste go through each box/document before I signed under penalty of perjury there were no more. If I were relying on my client, I would make them put in writing the assertion there were no more documents before I signed.
No. Bobb is an officer of the court and member of the bar. She is not Tanya at the deli counter at Safeway. When Bobb gives a signed affidavit to DOJ there is an expectation that she has the confirmed the veracity of the statements in that certification.
Is there any wiggle room with that statement? Don't they have to prove that she was aware of more documents being at MAL? Unless they can prove that she knew that documents were retained I don't see how she can be charged with anything.
a . A diligent search was conducted of the boxes that were moved from the White
House to Florida;
b This search was conducted after receipt of the subpoena, in order to locate any
and all documents that are responsiveto the subpoena;
c . Any and all responsive documents accompany this certification; and
d . No copy, written notation, or reproduction of any kind was retained as to any
responsive document.
I swear or affirm that the above statements are true and correct to the best of my knowledge.
And reason.com said this:
But if the Justice Department ultimately decides to prosecute Trump, proving those charges will be difficult, because his cavalier treatment of the records at Mar-a-Lago plausibly reflected habitual carelessness rather than criminal intent.
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Did you see that carpet? I think Winter Motel 6 is a little closer.
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Originally Posted by Oklazona Bound
Is there any wiggle room with that statement? Don't they have to prove that she was aware of more documents being at MAL?
And reason.com said this:
But if the Justice Department ultimately decides to prosecute Trump, proving those charges will be difficult, because his cavalier treatment of the records at Mar-a-Lago plausibly reflected habitual carelessness rather than criminal intent.
“Remember the heavily redacted affidavit were the DOJ said they had witnesses and video evidence? If the trump lawyers put out lies contraindicated by witnesses and video that is gong to get the lawyers in trouble.
Which is why he lawyers have not said anything.
Also in their motion quoted below the DOJ seems really upset not only about the certificate but that bobb refused to let them look in the boxes right in front of them containing the documents. That goes to intent
Based upon the information that has been provided to me, I am authorized to certify, on behalf of the Office of Donald J. Trump, the following: a. A diligent search was conducted of the boxes that were moved from the White House to Florida; b. This search was conducted after receipt of the subpoena, in order to locate any and all documents that are responsive to the subpoena; c. Any and all responsive documents accompany this certification; and d. No copy, written notation, or reproduction of any kind was retained as to any responsive document.
I swear or affirm that the above statements are true and correct to the best of my knowledge.”
See Attachment E.4
After producing the Redweld, counsel for the former President represented that all the
records that had come from the White House were stored in one location—a storage room at the Premises (hereinafter, the “Storage Room”), and the boxes of records in the Storage Room were “the remaining repository” of records from the White House. Counsel further represented that there were no other records stored in any private office space or other location at the Premises and that all available boxes were searched. As the former President’s filing indicates, the FBI agents and DOJ attorney were permitted to visit the storage room. See D.E. 1 at 5-6. Critically, however, the former President’s counsel explicitly prohibited government personnel from opening or looking inside any of the boxes that remained in the storage room, giving no opportunity for the government to confirm that no documents with classification markings remained. https://storage.courtlistener.com/re...763.48.0_1.pdf
Is there any wiggle room with that statement? Don't they have to prove that she was aware of more documents being at MAL? [B]Unless they can prove that she knew that documents were retained I don't see how she can be charged with anything. [/b]
a . A diligent search was conducted of the boxes that were moved from the White
House to Florida;
b This search was conducted after receipt of the subpoena, in order to locate any
and all documents that are responsiveto the subpoena;
c . Any and all responsive documents accompany this certification; and
d . No copy, written notation, or reproduction of any kind was retained as to any
responsive document.
I swear or affirm that the above statements are true and correct to the best of my knowledge.
And reason.com said this:
But if the Justice Department ultimately decides to prosecute Trump, proving those charges will be difficult, because his cavalier treatment of the records at Mar-a-Lago plausibly reflected habitual carelessness rather than criminal intent.
That is why she and Corcoran are going to be subpoenaed to testify before the Grand Jury.
You guys ever wonder how many people & agencies Trump supporters would accuse of being corrupt before they believe that Donald Trump might be corrupt?
Your typical Trump supporter believes that:
- The FBI is corrupt
- The DOJ is corrupt
- The National Archives is corrupt
- Joe Biden is corrupt
- NY AG is corrupt
- GA AG is corrupt
- The 1/6 Committee is corrupt
- Multiple federal judges are corrupt
- Multiple election officials are corrupt
Instead of the possibility that it's just Trump who might be corrupt. Orange Donny, the guy who:
- cheated on all three of his wives
- had nuclear and CIA top secret documents in a storage closet at home
- Fired Comey during the Russian interference investigation
- hoped his supporters would stop the election process and overthrow the United States government on 1/6
- saw multiple senior advisors, lawyers, and his NSA appointee go to jail
- took the 5th amendment over 100 times after saying "only guilty people please the 5th"
- had sex with a porn star and then paid her not to talk about it
^^^ trump people believe everything that guy says, and are convinced that multiple law enforcement agencies are corrupt. It's madness
Everyone on your list is corrupt. At the least they are on team anti orange man
You guys ever wonder how many people & agencies Trump supporters would accuse of being corrupt before they believe that Donald Trump might be corrupt?
Your typical Trump supporter believes that:
- The FBI is corrupt
- The DOJ is corrupt
- The National Archives is corrupt
- Joe Biden is corrupt
- NY AG is corrupt
- GA AG is corrupt
- The 1/6 Committee is corrupt
- Multiple federal judges are corrupt
- Multiple election officials are corrupt
Instead of the possibility that it's just Trump who might be corrupt. Orange Donny, the guy who:
- cheated on all three of his wives
- had nuclear and CIA top secret documents in a storage closet at home
- Fired Comey during the Russian interference investigation
- hoped his supporters would stop the election process and overthrow the United States government on 1/6
- saw multiple senior advisors, lawyers, and his NSA appointee go to jail
- took the 5th amendment over 100 times after saying "only guilty people please the 5th"
- had sex with a porn star and then paid her not to talk about it
^^^ trump people believe everything that guy says, and are convinced that multiple law enforcement agencies are corrupt. It's madness
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Originally Posted by berdee
For you people to constantly bring it up when it's discussed is berating, or gaslighting if you will.
Some points to consider,
1. Per the memo, and the DOJ's response to it and their redacting those documents, then it's probably true that those documents had been declassified.
2. We know that Trump gave the documents to the DOJ to redact, etc.
3. We know that this happened shortly before he'd left the WH.
4. We know that "extra copies" of documents are allowed to be taken, as stated under §2201(2)(B)(iv).
If the DOJ had the original documents, then what was it that Trump had allegedly taken? "Extra copies" of declassified docs?
We will just have to wait and see if all of those things are true or not.
Don't ruin their fun. They are salivating over the Tman being cuffed and carted off. I'd love for him to be pres again just to see the heads explode.
Attorneys defend known criminals, crimes all day long. And affidavits are sworn to as their best knowledge. Just don't get your hopes up.
There is a difference between "defending against" and "assisting in".
If Bobb signed the letter solely because she was told what to put in it by Trump, she may have at least a partial out.
The problem is that apparently it shows that she is certifying that she made a personal search and her conclusion was that there were no documents left at MAL. Either way, Corcoran allegedly wrote the letter. They had better hope they kept really good and explicit records of their search, because they will not be speaking jointly before the Grand Jury, and any and all discrepancies in their depositions will be revisited and resolved.
If they knowingly produced and signed the letter, they will be Co-defendants with Trump in an indictment on Obstruction of a Federal Investigation.
That's 20 years at Club Fed with no time off for good behavior or possibility of parole. If they were all foolish enough to think the FBI wouldn't get a warrant and raid MAL, they got what may turn out to be a very expensive legal seminar. Continuing education comes in many forms.
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