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So if I understand you, DeSantis should have requested the NG to do what? Storm Mar-A-Lego? Wait until the Feds left for lunch then move in? Set up a perimeter to fence in the FBI? How exactly would that work?
Spoiler: It wouldn't work.
Surround the FBI agents at gun point, take back any documents they took, strip them naked and frog March them out of Florida.
That’s what I want DeSantis to do. He won’t do that of course.
Surround the FBI agents at gun point, take back any documents they took, strip them naked and frog March them out of Florida.
That’s what I want DeSantis to do. He won’t do that of course.
The political career of DeSantis would be over with that move. A state cannot tell the FBI serving a warrant that they cannot do so. The feds have seniority over states.
That makes no sense at all. POTUS can declassify anything he wishes up until he leaves office. What makes them think anything Trump has wasn't declassified as such?
It's not just the classification of the documents. It's the law that the documents must go to the National Archives for preservation. He has no right to keep the documents. They belong to the American people.
BTW-there is a process for declassifying documents and a way of marking them declassified. Some of the documents the National Archives brought back earlier in the year were not declassified prior to his leaving office.
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The tears shed are not for Trump. This is about the government being out of control.
Yes, and we must do some serious house keeping in November, while demanding conservatives respond in kind as well as stand united against such dirty behavior. The "government" will only remain out of control as long as decent Americans allow it.
I noticed meager Mike Pence chimed in today defending his former boss and demanding an explanation from Merrick Garland. Mike, Mike, Mike just forget about it, your CPAC vote is still .03%. Is he not able to read the room, does he not realize is has absolutely no future in politics. He should just find himself a job at a hardware store in Indiana and enjoy the rest of his meager life.
If ever there was a man without a constituency, it is Pence. It's ironic, too, because pre-Trump he was the quintessential, true blue Conservative Republican, the kind you don't see any more. There are no more of his brand of Republicans left to vote for him. The party truly left him.
Not the serious unprecedented criminal crimes of Trump's deadly domestic insurrection he intentionally willfully caused/planned to illegally stay in power when he lost the election...Obstruction of an official proceeding of congress, Conspiracy to defraud the United States, Seditious Conspiracy, and Wire fraud. YOU DO THOSE CRIMES...YOU DO THE TIME!
According to the Yale Law article I posted, the PRA has no enforcement mechanism so how in the hell was the FBI even able to get a search warrant for Mar-a-Lago and remove anything? They have no legal standing to do so.
One question to ask is why was Trump wanting to keep these documents? This just seems like a silly thing to get into hot water over.
There are several provisions of federal criminal law imposing liability on officials who violate the PRA and the FRA. 18 U.S.C. § 641 makes it a felony to, among other things, dispose of any record that belongs to the United States. 18 U.S.C. § 1361 makes it a felony to injure property of the United States.
More specific to records, 18 U.S.C. § 2071 makes it a felony to willfully and unlawfully remove, mutilate or destroy—or to attempt to remove, mutilate or destroy—any record deposited in any public office or with any public officer of the United States. That same provision also makes it a felony for anyone having custody of such records to remove, mutilate or destroy those records and imposes severe consequences: a violation requires the individual to “forfeit his office and be disqualified from holding any office under the United States.”
It's not just the classification of the documents. It's the law that the documents must go to the National Archives for preservation. He has no right to keep the documents. They belong to the American people.
BTW-there is a process for declassifying documents and a way of marking them declassified. Some of the documents the National Archives brought back earlier in the year were not declassified prior to his leaving office.
1) POTUS doesn't have to notify anyone or follow any particular procedure when he declassifies anything. It's solely at his discretion.
2) Read the Yale Law School article I posted earlier. POTUS has wide discretion in implementing the PRA as he wishes. That plus the fact that there is no enforcement mechanism for the PRA means there is no form of redress when POTUS determines that some items are not public Presidential records and does not hand them over to NARA. So far and even before Trump, the courts have all sided with POTUS/VPOTUS on this.
There better be much more to this raid than supposedly classified documents and/or the PRA or this will blow up in the FBI's and the Democrats' faces.
There are several provisions of federal criminal law imposing liability on officials who violate the PRA and the FRA. 18 U.S.C. § 641 makes it a felony to, among other things, dispose of any record that belongs to the United States. 18 U.S.C. § 1361 makes it a felony to injure property of the United States.
More specific to records, 18 U.S.C. § 2071 makes it a felony to willfully and unlawfully remove, mutilate or destroy—or to attempt to remove, mutilate or destroy—any record deposited in any public office or with any public officer of the United States. That same provision also makes it a felony for anyone having custody of such records to remove, mutilate or destroy those records and imposes severe consequences: a violation requires the individual to “forfeit his office and be disqualified from holding any office under the United States.”
Who is saying he wanted to keep them? He probably didn't even know that they'd been delivered to Mar A Logo to begin with. The boxes were found in the basement storage, among dozens of other moving boxes.
When it became apparent that he'd had them, in Jan. he had his lawyers go down to the basement storage unit to dig them out, all the while being in continued contact with the National Archive. They sent back 15 boxes to the NA, and apparently felt they'd found everything.
Then in June the feds showed up to do a sweep of Mar A Logo to see if anything was missed, and apparently found nothing.
Then the FBI shows back up Monday and starts taking everything they could lay their hands on?
This has been discussed upthread with links to Politico and MSN.
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