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Old 08-12-2022, 01:55 PM
 
Location: Retired in VT; previously MD & NJ
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Originally Posted by Chuckity View Post
Oh.

Whoever said yesterday that Trump just lost Ari Fleischer based on a tweet ...

Ari just said that he has it on good authority that not only does Trump not know what was in those boxes, he never even opened them.

So there's that.
Ari F could be right. After all, we kept hearing about how Trump never read anything and his daily briefing couldn't be more than one page with 3 bullet points.

So who else could have moved those boxes to Mar A Lago?

 
Old 08-12-2022, 01:56 PM
 
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Originally Posted by lottamoxie View Post
So what's the issue?

The FBI was allowed to be at MAL and allegedly invited to come any time, nothing to hide, right?
...
Where did you get this information?

Do you have a linkable source?
 
Old 08-12-2022, 01:57 PM
 
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In that case, who was he giving or selling the nation's secrets to? Who was he spying for? Espionage means spying for foreign governments.
Haha he sold them to Putin so he wouldn’t release the golden showers tape. Tune in tomorrow to liberal lala land to find out what else! Most gullible group of people I’ve ever seen, you would think after falling for so much nonsense you’d be more hesitant.
 
Old 08-12-2022, 01:58 PM
 
Location: Kansas City, MISSOURI
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Originally Posted by Goofball86 View Post
A federal magistrate judge has found probable cause to believe the evidence of the crime of ESPIONAGE to be found at Mar-A-Lago. Repeat 5 times

Lock him up!
Yup!

Trump suspected of violating Espionage Act, according to search warrant
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Federal law enforcement suspected former President Trump had violated the Espionage Act and other laws when it sought and obtained a search warrant for his Mar-a-Lago estate, according to court records unsealed Friday.

The unsealed warrant shows that investigators were authorized to seize any documents or records with classified markings or related to the “transmission of national defense information or classified material.”
Can't you get the death penalty for espionage?
 
Old 08-12-2022, 01:59 PM
 
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Where did you get this information?

Do you have a linkable source?


They went in prior, are you that uniformed?
 
Old 08-12-2022, 02:02 PM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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Originally Posted by cuebald View Post
793 carries ten years.

Also sections 1519 and 2071. 20 years and three years respectively.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/t...2C%20or%20both.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1519

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2071
 
Old 08-12-2022, 02:02 PM
 
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Might want to tell this .gov site. I'm sure they would like to know their rules are all wrong.
Where does it say the President can declassify them. It doesn't. There is a process, and the process must be followed by law. It includes the President, but it is not his/her sole authority.

This Executive Order issued by Obama is still in effect. In short, Trump can't take it home.

https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov...ty-information

This is emphasized in 18 U.S. Code § 1924 - Unauthorized removal and retention of classified documents or material

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1924

More information on handling of nuclear secrets here:

https://wiki2.org/en/Classified_info...gy_information
 
Old 08-12-2022, 02:06 PM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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I bet he’s already sent them to Putin, what a traitor bring the death sentence! Trying espionage now on a former president? They are desperately running out of options here. Obstruction is usually the easiest charge to pin on somebody and they couldn’t even do that during the Mueller witch hunt. Good luck with your espionage.
All we know is what we read in the warrants.
 
Old 08-12-2022, 02:07 PM
 
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Originally Posted by lottamoxie View Post
So what's the issue?

The FBI was allowed to be at MAL and allegedly invited to come any time, nothing to hide, right?

The FBI went the legal route, got a search warrant, which allowed them to look for and remove boxes that could contain information that is owned by the government and needs to be where other tightly controlled secret info is stored by the government, at government-owned or controlled facilities.

The FBI didn't announce anything, they went to MAL after dark, it looks like, had arranged with secret service to legally enter the property, and seized various boxes as detailed on their warrant.


Maybe no crime has actually been committed. Maybe no one is "targeting" Trump. Maybe this was the legal way to go collect documents that had been requested and subpoena'd.

Maybe outrage is not warranted.
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Originally Posted by Hesychios View Post
Where did you get this information?

Do you have a linkable source?



Yesterday on Fox News, Christina Bobb, Trump's attorney stated that they had been cooperating with FBI since June, that they had open access to documents at any time. She was there when the raid was conducted. Here's your link:


https://video.foxnews.com/v/6310752679112#sp=show-clips
 
Old 08-12-2022, 02:08 PM
 
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Originally Posted by normstad View Post
Where does it say the President can declassify them. It doesn't. There is a process, and the process must be followed by law. It includes the President, but it is not his/her sole authority.

This Executive Order issued by Obama is still in effect. In short, Trump can't take it home.

https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov...ty-information

This is emphasized in 18 U.S. Code § 1924 - Unauthorized removal and retention of classified documents or material

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1924

More information on handling of nuclear secrets here:

https://wiki2.org/en/Classified_info...gy_information
As explained in this story, it might not even matter whether the documents were classified or not. This isn't an element of the offense.
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