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Old 08-12-2022, 07:12 PM
 
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I don't know if intent is something that has to be proved in this kind of case.

It seems more binary:

- Does the person have the documents or not have the documents.
- Are they allowed to have those documents or not allowed.
- Do the documents fall into the category of never can have those documents because of what they are?
- Is it a crime to have those documents in a personal residence? (And what statute or law applies)



etc. etc.

 
Old 08-12-2022, 07:13 PM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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Originally Posted by chucksnee View Post
He still needs "bigger handcuffs" than you.
Ooooo! I'm burning!
 
Old 08-12-2022, 07:13 PM
 
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Breitbart link: https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...r-a-lago-raid/

It contains the actual DOJ inventory statement. If that doesn't convince ya, you have a real problem.
 
Old 08-12-2022, 07:13 PM
 
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Originally Posted by jwest09 View Post
Answer this if you can.
How long (in months) did our government know that these documents were missing???
I'll do better than that, here's a timeline:

May 2021
An official from the National Archives and Records Administration (NARA) contacts Trump's team after realizing that several important documents weren't handed over before Trump left the White House.

Fall 2021
NARA grows frustrated with the slow pace of document turnover after several months of conversations with the Trump team. They reach out to another Trump attorney to intervene.

January 2022
After months of discussions with Trump's team, NARA retrieves 15 boxes of Trump White House records from Mar-a-Lago.

February 9, 2022
News outlets report that NARA asked the Justice Department to investigate Trump's handling of White House records and whether he violated the Presidential Records Act and other laws related to classified information.

February 18, 2022
NARA informs the Justice Department that some of the documents retrieved from Mar-a-Lago included classified material. NARA also tells the department that, despite being warned it was illegal, Trump tore up documents while he was president.

April and May 2022
NARA publicly acknowledges for the first time that the Justice Department is involved, and news outlets report that prosecutors have launched a criminal probe into Trump's mishandling of classified documents.

May 12, 2022
Investigators subpoenaed NARA for access to the classified documents retrieved from Mar-a-Lago.

June 3, 2022
Four investigators, including a top Justice Department counterintelligence official, visit Mar-a-Lago seeking more information about classified material that had been taken to Florida

June 8, 2022
Trump's attorneys receive a letter from federal investigators, asking them to further secure the room where documents are being stored. Trump aides add a padlock to the room in the basement of Mar-a-Lago.

June 22, 2022
Federal investigators serve a subpoena to the Trump Organization, demanding surveillance video from Mar-a-Lago. Trump's company turns over the footage.

August 8, 2022
The FBI executes a search warrant at Mar-a-Lago

August 11, 2022
Attorney General Merrick Garland makes a brief public statement about the investigation. He reveals that he personally approved the decision to seek a search warrant

August 12, 2022
Federal Magistrate Judge Bruce Reinhart approves the unsealing of the Mar-a-Lago search warrant and its property receipt, at the Justice Department's request and after Trump's lawyers agree to the release. The warrant includes possible violations of the Espionage Act, obstruction of justice and criminal handling of government records.
 
Old 08-12-2022, 07:14 PM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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He can still use them if he's stumping for DeSantis.

No doubt, they will be going after DeSantis too. There's already been rumbles about him. If it looks like he'll be in the running, instead of Trump, they'll start swinging harder.
I doubt anyone will go after DeSantis if Trump endorses him. That would be punishment enough for anyone to bear.
 
Old 08-12-2022, 07:14 PM
 
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Ooooo! I'm burning!
You should be.
 
Old 08-12-2022, 07:15 PM
 
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Originally Posted by JohnBoy64 View Post
Whether criminal, nefarious or just grossly incompetent, it’s all bad.

It’s no wonder people like General Miley stayed on to make sure that idiot didn’t do anything so colossally stupid that he put the country in danger.

OOF.
 
Old 08-12-2022, 07:15 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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Here is the Timeline

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-62527628

Quote:
Trump records probe timeline
January 2022 - The National Archives retrieves 15 boxes of White House records from Mar-a-Lago, and says some of the documents it received at the end of Trump administration had been torn up
February - Reports emerge that classified files were found in the Mar-a-Lago cache and National Archives has asked DoJ to investigate
April - US media report the FBI has begun a preliminary investigation
3 June - A senior DoJ official and three FBI agents travel to Mar-a-Lago to review items in a basement and Mr Trump drops by to say hello, according to reports
8 June - Federal investigators reportedly write to a Trump aide to ask that a stronger lock be used to secure the room storing the items. Trump says that request was quickly fulfilled
22 June - The Trump Organization reportedly receives a DoJ summons for CCTV footage from Mar-a-Lago
8 August - Dozens of agents raid Mar-a-Lago, seizing more than 20 boxes, some containing top secret files, according to the search warrant
 
Old 08-12-2022, 07:17 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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Originally Posted by GearHeadDave View Post
I'll do better than that, here's a timeline:

May 2021
An official from the National Archives and Records Administration (NARA) contacts Trump's team after realizing that several important documents weren't handed over before Trump left the White House.

Fall 2021
NARA grows frustrated with the slow pace of document turnover after several months of conversations with the Trump team. They reach out to another Trump attorney to intervene.

January 2022
After months of discussions with Trump's team, NARA retrieves 15 boxes of Trump White House records from Mar-a-Lago.

February 9, 2022
News outlets report that NARA asked the Justice Department to investigate Trump's handling of White House records and whether he violated the Presidential Records Act and other laws related to classified information.

February 18, 2022
NARA informs the Justice Department that some of the documents retrieved from Mar-a-Lago included classified material. NARA also tells the department that, despite being warned it was illegal, Trump tore up documents while he was president.

April and May 2022
NARA publicly acknowledges for the first time that the Justice Department is involved, and news outlets report that prosecutors have launched a criminal probe into Trump's mishandling of classified documents.

May 12, 2022
Investigators subpoenaed NARA for access to the classified documents retrieved from Mar-a-Lago.

June 3, 2022
Four investigators, including a top Justice Department counterintelligence official, visit Mar-a-Lago seeking more information about classified material that had been taken to Florida

June 8, 2022
Trump's attorneys receive a letter from federal investigators, asking them to further secure the room where documents are being stored. Trump aides add a padlock to the room in the basement of Mar-a-Lago.

June 22, 2022
Federal investigators serve a subpoena to the Trump Organization, demanding surveillance video from Mar-a-Lago. Trump's company turns over the footage.

August 8, 2022
The FBI executes a search warrant at Mar-a-Lago

August 11, 2022
Attorney General Merrick Garland makes a brief public statement about the investigation. He reveals that he personally approved the decision to seek a search warrant

August 12, 2022
Federal Magistrate Judge Bruce Reinhart approves the unsealing of the Mar-a-Lago search warrant and its property receipt, at the Justice Department's request and after Trump's lawyers agree to the release. The warrant includes possible violations of the Espionage Act, obstruction of justice and criminal handling of government records.
Beat me to it...LOL
 
Old 08-12-2022, 07:17 PM
 
Location: 23.7 million to 162 million miles North of Venus
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Originally Posted by Goodnight View Post
Yes and I'm sure they were still on site at his resort 2 years after he left office just to handle these Top Secret documents in a secure location.
Which top secret documents? You mean the declassified ones? Why do they need clearance to see a declassified doc?
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