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Old 08-13-2022, 11:01 AM
 
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There still is no evidence whatsoever that is even true.

Imagine this... someone tips the DEA off that you have 200 pounds of fentanyl in your house. This is based only on someone's "say so." Imagine the DEA gets a warrant and searches your entire house looking for it just because someone "said" there was something there. Do you not see how this is being perceived as a massive fishing expedition by those who don't like Trump and perceive him to be some kind of a threat? And why they perceive him as such, I have NO clue. The world was far more peaceful and Americans were far better off during his Presidency.
Who is this informant? Is he somebody highly likely to be in the know? Or is he just some Joe off the street making an accusation?

In this case there was an informant who obviously was very much in the know, because said documents were, in fact, there. He or she was obviously someone with credibility, and credibility is what counts here.

 
Old 08-13-2022, 11:02 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Can you see how this just looks like more crybaby antics so someone who doesn't agree Trump is the most persecuted person in American history?
No. Government law enforcement agencies get search warrants and raid people's homes/businesses all the time and find nothing. The "info" someone "told" them was a complete fabrication. The same thing happens when people are "swatted":

https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/30/us/sw...ned/index.html
 
Old 08-13-2022, 11:02 AM
 
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Even if it is all national security information (things he was able to declassify while President), and not nuclear information, and he can argue his way out of the classification issue-he's also under investigation for USC 2071.

"(a) Whoever willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, or destroys, or attempts to do so, or, with intent to do so takes and carries away any record, proceeding, map, book, paper, document, or other thing, filed or deposited with any clerk or officer of any court of the United States, or in any public office, or with any judicial or public officer of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both."

"(b) Whoever, having the custody of any such record, proceeding, map, book, document, paper, or other thing, willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, falsifies, or destroys the same, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both; and shall forfeit his office and be disqualified from holding any office under the United States"

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2071

Those documents, even if he can successfully argue that he declassified them or they were not classified in the first place, would still be presidential records.

I suspect he's going to really face some issues on this one. If he'd returned it in the earlier 15 boxes-easy peasy. But he didn't-he retained them. I believe that can fairly be considered concealment. I'm glad I'm not the one who'd have to wind his way through this issue, it's immensely complex.

It will be very interesting to see what comes out of this.
Wouldn't he also be facing obstruction of justice for not turning over things requested by Jan 6 Committee?
 
Old 08-13-2022, 11:03 AM
 
Location: Retired in VT; previously MD & NJ
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There's nothing illegal about temporary storage. Obama's records are stored in a former Plunkett Furniture building across the street from a McDonald's in Hoffman Estates, IL, temporarily.

And Obama told everyone on twitter in December 2020 that he was/is declassifying everything
before he leaves office. We all knew about it. It's all declassified.
That facility is NARA space. Does not matter what the building was once used for back in the day. Nor does it matter that it is across from a McDonalds.

More importantly, those documents are not being stored in a padlocked closet at anybody's personal house. You can be sure that NARA has a better security system than just a padlock on that building.

There is no comparison between Trump's padlocked storage room and a NARA facility.

Oh, and it was not Obama who twittered that he was declassifying everything in Dec 2020. It was Trump the known lier (30,000+ lies) who said that. Obviously he did not declassify everything because classified docs were just taken from his home.
 
Old 08-13-2022, 11:04 AM
 
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Please show me where it's written in the law that the person of interest's lawyer gets to follow LE around during a search of a premises. We know you think Trump is special, but he really isn't when it comes to the law. Lawyers are not permitted to be a part of the search. He gets no special privileges.
Thanks for telling us Trump people how we think. And thanks for explaining the law to our limited thinking. Your great.
 
Old 08-13-2022, 11:04 AM
 
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Informative video in that link, and not only about the declassification of the documents and the process to do that, but also that the GSA were the ones to pack and to mistakenly ship the boxes to MAL. The GSA has a list of what they'd had sent in the boxes and what rooms they'd placed them in at MAL. Trump told them to come get the boxes of documents, but the feds didn't really try very hard to do that. Maybe because they had planned to do a raid at some point, to deflect from the dems own failures and corruption. If there are any normal people left in their base, then the dems will likely lose them over this.

People on both sides of the aisle are simply getting tired of the dems constant deranged attempts to "Get Trump by any means necessary".
It’s too painful for them to deal with truth. All they have is that some unnamed anonymous source claimed, after almost two years, that nuclear docs were at MAL. Breathlessly screaming “A threat to our national security!!” No affidavit. No proof of anything. But the grand technocratic machine controls and manipulates their thinking through their fragile emotions.
 
Old 08-13-2022, 11:05 AM
 
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Or... far more likely... there's absolutely nothing to this. It's the equivalent of someone telling the DEA you have 200 pounds of fentanyl in your home so they issue a search warrant and raid your house to find it based solely on someone else's "say so."
They started the search at 10am. They used unmarked vehicles and gear and certainly did not go in there like they often do to put on a show. Could be they just wanted the documents back and they are done with this.

Unlike your fentanyl analogy this stuff had already been sitting in MAR for over a year. The feds took some documents to see if there was highly classified stuff in there and perhaps to verify if Trump really did declassify them as he alleges. They secured everything else in the room. In their research Trump did have documents that posed a security risk and he did not declassify them. So they got a search warrant and took them.
 
Old 08-13-2022, 11:06 AM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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There's nothing illegal about temporary storage. Obama's records are stored in a former Plunkett Furniture building across the street from a McDonald's in Hoffman Estates, IL, temporarily.

And Trump told everyone on twitter in December 2020 that he was/is declassifying everything before he leaves office. We all knew about it. It's all declassified.


ETA: corrected.
Obama’s records have never left the custody of NARA. Big difference.
 
Old 08-13-2022, 11:06 AM
 
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You aren't reading. All of you Trumpers are doing nothing more than coming up with ridiculous excuses, rationalizations and paranoid conspiracies in an attempt to defend the indefensible.
Probably but when they are that heavily invested, when they have spent years and years building up the house of cards, they will go to great lengths to protect their safe place. In a way their world is falling apart.
 
Old 08-13-2022, 11:07 AM
 
Location: Retired in VT; previously MD & NJ
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You’re asking stupid questions.

Is it legal or illegal to destroy your mobile devices with hammers then give them to the FBI for them to search during an investigation. Yes or no?
Again, why didn't Trump and his new AG pursue Hillary for that? You say it was illegal so why wasn't she charged?
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