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Old 08-13-2022, 08:59 PM
 
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https://www.cbsnews.com/news/espiona...earch-warrant/

Do we need to post the timeline yet again? Trump had ample time to give the Archives Dept and FBI whatever they wanted. He was repeatedly told he did not turn over all the documents he was being asked to turn over. The fact he was told over and over again, and still did not do what he was asked to do, disqualifies him for not being aware that the documents being sought were still classified. When the FBI visits you multiple times, and when a subpoena and grand jury are called in order to get all the documents, then you have absolutely no grounds on which to claim, "Oh I didn't know they were still classified."
They said everything's OK, with it. Just get a bigger boat, I mean lock. Sorry, I got off track on the Jaws thing.

 
Old 08-13-2022, 09:02 PM
 
Location: Lost in Montana *recalculating*...
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A duh. They knew Trump had them months ago. What took them soooo long?
Well If you insist- this is against a former President of the United States. I am sure, double DAMN sure that the DOJ had to proceed against this with extreme jurisprudence. This is unprecedented. That and quite possibly an informant disclosed to the FBI, who then counseled with DNI to determine if the documents remaining were really a matter of- 'Is the juice 'worth the squeeze''.

If the DOJ acted in any manner less than this- then the DOJ will have the next 3-6 years explaining themselves in the matter.
 
Old 08-13-2022, 09:04 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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He was the president he had the power to declassify anything.
First, a U.S. president does have uniquely sweeping declassification abilities, though there is a process that involves written documentation ...Once a final decision is made, and the relevant agency receives the president's signed memo, the physical document in question would be marked — the old classification level would be crossed out — and the document would then be stamped, "Declassified on X date" by the agency in question.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-classified-records/
 
Old 08-13-2022, 09:26 PM
 
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Because, as we've repeatedly pointed out, and as has been in the news all week long, they kept trying to get Trump to cooperate. When you're trying to get somebody to cooperate, you can be nice to them for a while, but after some point when it's clear they're either ignoring you or stonewalling you, then you finally have to resort to something more drastic. That's what finally happened.
The Trump people cooperated with anything the FBI asked. Including the lock.
 
Old 08-13-2022, 09:28 PM
 
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Well If you insist- this is against a former President of the United States. I am sure, double DAMN sure that the DOJ had to proceed against this with extreme jurisprudence. This is unprecedented. That and quite possibly an informant disclosed to the FBI, who then counseled with DNI to determine if the documents remaining were really a matter of- 'Is the juice 'worth the squeeze''.

If the DOJ acted in any manner less than this- then the DOJ will have the next 3-6 years explaining themselves in the matter.
Was there really a informant or not. Just because they said, does that make it true?
 
Old 08-13-2022, 09:34 PM
 
Location: Kansas City, MISSOURI
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The Trump people cooperated with anything the FBI asked. Including the lock.
No they did not. They repeatedly had to keep asking again because what Trump had provided before was not everything they asked for. Once again here is the timeline:

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May 2021
An official from the National Archives and Records Administration (NARA) contacts Trump's team after realizing that several important documents weren't handed over before Trump left the White House.

Fall 2021
NARA grows frustrated with the slow pace of document turnover after several months of conversations with the Trump team. They reach out to another Trump attorney to intervene.

January 2022
After months of discussions with Trump's team, NARA retrieves 15 boxes of Trump White House records from Mar-a-Lago.

February 9, 2022
News outlets report that NARA asked the Justice Department to investigate Trump's handling of White House records and whether he violated the Presidential Records Act and other laws related to classified information.

February 18, 2022
NARA informs the Justice Department that some of the documents retrieved from Mar-a-Lago included classified material. NARA also tells the department that, despite being warned it was illegal, Trump tore up documents while he was president.

April and May 2022
NARA publicly acknowledges for the first time that the Justice Department is involved, and news outlets report that prosecutors have launched a criminal probe into Trump's mishandling of classified documents.

May 12, 2022
Investigators subpoenaed NARA for access to the classified documents retrieved from Mar-a-Lago.

June 3, 2022
Four investigators, including a top Justice Department counterintelligence official, visit Mar-a-Lago seeking more information about classified material that had been taken to Florida

June 8, 2022
Trump's attorneys receive a letter from federal investigators, asking them to further secure the room where documents are being stored. Trump aides add a padlock to the room in the basement of Mar-a-Lago.

June 22, 2022
Federal investigators serve a subpoena to the Trump Organization, demanding surveillance video from Mar-a-Lago. Trump's company turns over the footage.

August 8, 2022
The FBI executes a search warrant at Mar-a-Lago

August 11, 2022
Attorney General Merrick Garland makes a brief public statement about the investigation. He reveals that he personally approved the decision to seek a search warrant

August 12, 2022
Federal Magistrate Judge Bruce Reinhart approves the unsealing of the Mar-a-Lago search warrant and its property receipt, at the Justice Department's request and after Trump's lawyers agree to the release. The warrant includes possible violations of the Espionage Act, obstruction of justice and criminal handling of government records
The fact that they STILL retrieved classified documents more than a year after first having asked for them proves that Trump did not fully cooperate with the FBI.
 
Old 08-13-2022, 09:34 PM
 
Location: Lexington, Kentucky
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The Trump people cooperated with anything the FBI asked. Including the lock.

The Trump people lied when they said that they had turned over all the documents that were suppose to go to the National Archives.
(In the search warrant search the FBI was able to obtain 20 more boxes of documents.)


Then they tried to get him to return the documents that he still had by subpoena, but Trump ignored it and would not comply. So in the end they had little other choice than to obtain a search warrant.
 
Old 08-13-2022, 09:39 PM
 
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The Trump people lied when they said that they had turned over all the documents that were suppose to go to the National Archives.


In the search warrant search the FBI was able to obtain 20 more boxes of documents.
Did they really or is that what they claimed and documented. Remember, they didn't want council to witness any of this. Why not? What are they trying to hide?
 
Old 08-13-2022, 09:42 PM
 
Location: Kansas City, MISSOURI
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Did they really or is that what they claimed and documented. Remember they didn't want council to witness any of this. Why not? What are they trying to hide?
How many more times do we need to point out that it is not standard procedure for a lawyer to be present during a law enforcement search/raid? If the cops raid a drug dealer's house, a lawyer representing the drug dealer does not need to be present at the house during the raid. In fact it would be pretty stupid to require one to be there.
 
Old 08-13-2022, 09:43 PM
 
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Did they really or is that what they claimed and documented. Remember, they didn't want council to witness any of this. Why not? What are they trying to hide?
Trump should release the surveillance footage. That should answer the questions

Will that be before he releases his taxes or makes Mexico for the wall
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