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Are you guys still at this, with your wildly imaginative Trump apologetics? lol. This thread is OVER. The ship of fact has sailed. Trump is in big trouble, and it's only a matter of time before we all see just how burnt his toast is. The only question left is whether we all see him taken out of Trump tower in handcuffs, or whether they let him turn himself in.
It's all true. Not sure what his intent is yet, but I don't believe he will be charged with anything. Like all "elite" in our government, he will be told he did something wrong, they will waggle their finger at him, and that will be that.
This thread is so much fun. I'm refraining from commenting as much as I would like but I'm enjoying watching the mental gymnastics the Trump posters are performing as they try to defend the indefensible.
Now he has put a target on the back of every FBI officer, and so much more. This is the man so many of you are willing to die on a hill for Entertaining indeed
And yet when Supreme Court Justices were illegally harassed, doxxed, threatened and suffered an assassination attempt, Garland had to be pressured to speak out, and ignored the law by allowing harassment at their private homes.
Sorry, can’t have it both ways. One could say Garland put a target on the back of conservative Supreme Court Justices.
“Whataboutism” is a legitimate judgment call that people wish to ignore to their opinion’s advantage.
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According to the timeline, on June 3 they visited and then a few days later asked that the documents still there be further secured.
Yes, they were there on June 3 and could have taken the documents with them, but they didn't. They needed to leave them there so they could use them to get a search warrant.
Prove that they told him to "further secure" the storage room because there was classified/government documents in there? That they hadn't simply told him that his own documents weren't as secure as they could be?
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Yet the search warrant was for far more than just that room.
Of course it was, since Trump's personal documents were in other rooms too.
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Evidently they had good and probable cause to believe there were MORE documents in OTHER places at Mar-a-Lago. They had not been given truthful or complete information. That is shady behavior and attempts to hide (per below).
That is merely your opinion. Which is likely based on leftist media spin using unknown sources, much like your media had done in the past to get you to believe their wild tales...like the dossier, etc.
The DOJ has to prove intent if Trump knew what he had was classified and the intent was to take the documents this is still yet to be seen. The documents were not declassified or the FBI would have said that total BS from right wing media. THey keep flip flopping on that between it was declassified to he was going to return it.
Clinton she was able to get out of criminal intent because of the 33k emails only a few were marked classified the FBI said those could have been missed by her. I think if it had been any Government employee that did what she did they would face a criminal trial.
If a president can Classify and declassify a document any time, then Biden could have easily classified the docs Trump held on to and after that point after the subpoena refusing to give it up would be breaking the law.
And how can Trump declassify docs that he says the feds planted?
Where is the proof that he did declassify everything? If it is just in his head, it does not count. Where are all of the supposedly declassified documents? Why hasn't Trump shown these documents to anybody?
I really don't know why anybody continues to believe a known liar who has no proof of what he says.
Trump never really understood the powers and obligations (and especially the limits) of the presidency, and it seems many of his followers were equally ignorant.
This is why Trump always admired dictators, he thought of them as 'strong' leaders. while he criticized our 'weak' leaders. This is where their admiration of Putin comes from. Yeah, that guy who murders political opponents.
Trump never understood that the presidency was designed specifically to prevent people from doing the kinds of things Trump thought they should do. If a president remained within the bounds of his authority, he would look weak to some people.
Now Trump is claiming that he declassified everything he stole from the national archives, ignoring the fact that there are procedures he would need to follow. There is no evidence that he followed them, but he has an opportunity at this time to present whatever evidence he may have.
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They needed a warrant to take them or Team Trump's permission.
Imagine the howling if they had used exigent circumstances to take them.
They had a subpoena to take them. Prove that Trump had told them that he was refusing to abide by the subpoena? solid proof, not 'some unknown person says'.
You people are being played. Just like you had with Russia, Russia, Russia and all of the rest.
Assuming this is true, do you think it excuses the presence of all this material that had previously been subpoenaed for return?
The FBI was there in June. They could have taken "all the material" at that time because of the subpoena, but didn't. In fact, they did the exact opposite. They authorized the storage of the documents at Mar-a-Lago by merely commenting to add another lock to the storage area.
Trump saying anything he took up to the residence to read was declassified is not a legal way to declassify documents. You can reread the many posts on here about the proper way to declassify documents if you really want to know.
A president is not king. Saying "make it so" like Captain Picard on Star Trek is not how the US government operates.
Are you guys still at this, with your wildly imaginative Trump apologetics? lol. This thread is OVER. The ship of fact has sailed. Trump is in big trouble, and it's only a matter of time before we all see just how burnt his toast is. The only question left is whether we all see him taken out of Trump tower in handcuffs, or whether they let him turn himself in.
Agreed. Mr. Trump is done. Everything here is merely commentary.
The only alternative to facing indictments will be for him to not come back when he visits his golf course in Scotland.
Even half the GOP members of Congress are trying to distance themselves from him.
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