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It is true that the bulk of the sized documents are unclassified.
The funny thing in all this back and forth over if the documents are classified or not is that the potential charges that Trump is facing have nothing to do with the classification status of the documents.
The funny thing in all this back and forth over if the documents are classified or not is that the potential charges that Trump is facing have nothing to do with the classification status of the documents.
Agreed.
The media tried to excite the base about deadly and highly classified Nuke secrets and the like (perhaps to justify the inevitable whiff of banana republic resulting from a raid on the home of an ex-president and political rival) but in reality this is a mundane dispute over presidential papers ownership.
Trump will respond in court to try and get the papers back.
To keep this apolitical, I searched for this by entering a custom range into google (so only results for dates before this incident, to keep out all the noise these propaganda rags turn out).
Ultimately, DOE is under the executive branch and the president is head of that branch. So the Atlantic's interpretation didn't make sense to me, granted I'm not a lawyer.
§2011 begins on page 14. I see nothing in there that indicates Atlantic's interpretation. Instead of quoting the Atlantic, quote from that act. Because besides not finding anything to support that assertion, a google search filtered for the dates yields nothing.
I want to point out, that even if this technically true (I have my doubts!), it doesn't mean Trump broke the law (*if* he had nuclear docs). Laws conflict all the time, and president is put in charge of determining classification status in the constitution (as I understand) so this will make it to the USSC to clear up any contradiction.
To keep this apolitical, I searched for this by entering a custom range into google (so only results for dates before this incident, to keep out all the noise these propaganda rags turn out).
Ultimately, DOE is under the executive branch and the president is head of that branch. So the Atlantic's interpretation didn't make sense to me, granted I'm not a lawyer.
§2011 begins on page 14. I see nothing in there that indicates Atlantic's interpretation. Instead of quoting the Atlantic, quote from that act. Because besides not finding anything to support that assertion, a google search filtered for the dates yields nothing.
I want to point out, that even if this technically true (I have my doubts!), it doesn't mean Trump broke the law (*if* he had nuclear docs). Laws conflict all the time, and president is put in charge of determining classification status in the constitution (as I understand) so this will make it to the USSC to clear up any contradiction.
You did not read the document you posted
Subsections 2161 clearly states the declassification of RD is the responsibility of the AEC
Looks like the current line of thinking is that a document is legally declassified the millisecond a president has formed the decision in his mind that it should be. No process or procedure, no paper trail, no accountability.
And if that a line of thinking sounds familiar, it's because it was King John's take back in 1215 - the king decides what's legal, because the king is the fount of all law. Those who followed along in history class will recall Magna Carta putting an end to that idea.
What's so depressing right now is the number of people who seem to want a king - or a person with king-like powers - to rule over them. Tired of this "republic" thing?
Last edited by Dane_in_LA; 08-15-2022 at 04:40 AM..
The media tried to excite the base about deadly and highly classified Nuke secrets and the like (perhaps to justify the inevitable whiff of banana republic resulting from a raid on the home of an ex-president and political rival) but in reality this is a mundane dispute over presidential papers ownership.
Trump will respond in court to try and get the papers back.
You missed the other statutes mentioned in the warrant?
To keep this apolitical, I searched for this by entering a custom range into google (so only results for dates before this incident, to keep out all the noise these propaganda rags turn out).
Ultimately, DOE is under the executive branch and the president is head of that branch. So the Atlantic's interpretation didn't make sense to me, granted I'm not a lawyer.
§2011 begins on page 14. I see nothing in there that indicates Atlantic's interpretation. Instead of quoting the Atlantic, quote from that act. Because besides not finding anything to support that assertion, a google search filtered for the dates yields nothing.
I want to point out, that even if this technically true (I have my doubts!), it doesn't mean Trump broke the law (*if* he had nuclear docs). Laws conflict all the time, and president is put in charge of determining classification status in the constitution (as I understand) so this will make it to the USSC to clear up any contradiction.
Trump was not supposed to have ANY documents related to his presidency at his home five states away. That is the entire subject of this thread. All of the documents were government property to be cataloged and archived for the public by NARA.
Additionally, if any of the documents were classified, Trump had no security clearance to handle them after March, 2021. He would have had to file a FOIA request to be allowed to view them as a private citizen.
If they were declassified, the stamp on them would have to have been changed to reflect it. The classification level would be at any time how they were currently marked.
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