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Old 08-15-2022, 08:22 PM
 
Location: 23.7 million to 162 million miles North of Venus
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Originally Posted by moneill View Post
THey may have been in a box labeled as such though.

You don't know.

Not all the documents were classified but many of them were property of the Federal Govt.

Look -- you can't spin this.

Trump so much as admitted he had boxes of documents that needed to be returned.
The law has been posted many times in here, that the feds were required to inventory the stuff in front of the owner and the lawyers were legally acting in Trump's behalf. Are you saying that the feds broke the law by not doing what they were required to do under the law? And, are you admitting that they just grabbed everything they could get their hands on, even if it was not on the warrant/affidavit?

 
Old 08-15-2022, 08:26 PM
 
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The law has been posted many times in here, that the feds were required to inventory the stuff in front of the owner and the lawyers were legally acting in Trump's behalf. Are you saying that the feds broke the law by not doing what they were required to do under the law? And, are you admitting that they just grabbed everything they could get their hands on, even if it was not on the warrant/affidavit?
I'm not sure of the exact procedure and legality --- but I suspect that if on the day when the FBI said -- box marked confidential including his passports -- and the lawyers found out it was illegal for them to take it -- they would have said something -- not Trump saying something.

I don't believe it was illegal for them to take the passports -- on purpose or by accident.

I will add -- if they did make a mistake -- still doesn't excuse Trump and his team taking classified/top secret documents from the White House, refusing to hand them over once they were told they weren't suppose to have those documents.

I suspect Trump and his team were told of how other Presidents have exited the White House. He and his team decided not to follow procedure and they put themselves at risk for criminal behaviour.
 
Old 08-15-2022, 08:27 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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Hilary used an unsecured server and you all wanted her locked up for that. Trump has top secret documents at home and his supporters want to give him a pass. They are more or less the same thing. Either both should be prosecuted or neither.
One is a Democrat, the other Republican. Remember, only Democrats are corrupt according to Republicans...
 
Old 08-15-2022, 08:29 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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The largest issue is the right wing attack on the FBI that is endangering them and their families, we can thank Trump and the GOP for pouring fuel on the fire. We are not far off from another Jan 6 moment.
With this going on, it is asinine to believe Trump can still have the right to free speech. He is yelling fire in a crowd right now. He is a clear and present danger and should be on the hook for any attacks on federal agents. Someone tell me how federal agents aren't part of "the blue" that the Trump supports supposedly "back."
 
Old 08-15-2022, 08:30 PM
 
Location: West Palm Beach, FL
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With this going on, it is asinine to believe Trump can still have the right to free speech. He is yelling fire in a crowd right now. He is a clear and present danger and should be on the hook for any attacks on federal agents. Someone tell me how federal agents aren't part of "the blue" that the Trump supports supposedly "back."
Nope. Not after Chuck Schumer got away with threatening Supreme Court justices by name. You never complained about that, did you?
 
Old 08-15-2022, 08:31 PM
 
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Whataboutism is not a good argument for explaining, rationalizing, dismissing any wrongdoing.
 
Old 08-15-2022, 08:33 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Whataboutism is not a good argument for explaining, rationalizing, dismissing any wrongdoing.
But you seem good with the fbi over reaching and doing sloppy work.
 
Old 08-15-2022, 08:35 PM
 
Location: West Palm Beach, FL
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Whataboutism is not a good argument for explaining, rationalizing, dismissing any wrongdoing.
Dershowitz destroys your whining about whataboutism on this topic way better than I can:

Link: https://www.wsj.com/articles/but-her...ct-11660482495
 
Old 08-15-2022, 08:37 PM
 
Location: 23.7 million to 162 million miles North of Venus
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Hilary used an unsecured server and you all wanted her locked up for that. Trump has top secret documents at home and his supporters want to give him a pass. They are more or less the same thing. Either both should be prosecuted or neither.
We know Hillary had classified documents on an unsecured server, and that other countries may have taken copies of them. We know that those documents were under subpoena. We know that Hillary deleted many of those files that were under subpoena. And, we know a whole lot more about it than just those things. We also know that Comey gave her a pass.

Yeeaah, instead of being upset over what's actually known, let's all be outraged over rumors. right?
 
Old 08-15-2022, 08:38 PM
 
Location: TUS/PDX
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With this going on, it is asinine to believe Trump can still have the right to free speech. He is yelling fire in a crowd right now. He is a clear and present danger and should be on the hook for any attacks on federal agents. Someone tell me how federal agents aren't part of "the blue" that the Trump supports supposedly "back."
While at the same time he tells FOX News

"People are so angry at what is taking place," Trump said. "Whatever we can do to help — because the temperature has to be brought down in the country. If it isn't, terrible things are going to happen."

Best way he could help is to quit pouring gasoline on the fire.
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