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I just saw this. He had documents from the FBI, National Security Agency, and the CIA, e.g., state secrets, and he had personally been through the boxes himself and held back the documents that were seized when the others were returned in June.
Hardly a minor oversight or a packing mistake. Trump intentiionally stole the classified docs.
We are long, long, long past the time to continue defending the indefensible.
Trump did NOT DECLASSIFY these documents in any way which would actually RENDER THEM declassified.
"Thinking" that he "doesn't have to check in with low level executive branch employees" before declassifying is not how it works. Certain documents relating to our defense, as has been cited numerous times upthread, cannot be declassified by the president but must be approved by Energy and DOD.
Did Trump do this? Of course, not.
Entire article worth a read.
All of this was covered in-depth upthread with numerous links.
It is so exhausting to wash, rinse, repeat, the same words over an over and over.
Declassifying is not a simple process.
No, but even the link you cited states that the president has final authority. Someone would need to cite a federal statute that says the president lacks authority to classify or declassify word documents.
(c) Joint determination on atomic weapons; Presidential determination on disagreement
In the case of Restricted Data which the Commission and the Department of Defense jointly determine to relate primarily to the military utilization of atomic weapons, the determination that such data may be published without constituting an unreasonable risk to the common defense and security shall be made by the Commission and the Department of Defense jointly, and if the Commission and the Department of Defense do not agree, the determination shall be made by the President.
You can repeat nonsense until the end of time, but it will still be nonsense. And you can use cutesy made up phrases like “automagically” but it only reveals your childlike immaturity. The reality is, it doesn’t matter what you THINK the process should be, or what problems you THINk this Presidential authority creates. That power exists with the President of the United States, and no one else. Therefore, based purely on common sense conclusion, if the President is the only person with the authority to unilaterally declassify information, there is no one else with higher authority to overrule his decision. That’s the beginning and the ending of the conversation. It matters not what you think, or that you agree with it .. that’s how it is.
Typically, when presidents exercise that authority, they issue an order to what ever government entity is in possession of such information to be declassified, allowing them the opportunity to review the information and submit arguments when they believe such declassification poses a national security threat. But that should not be confused with the President asking permission, because he needs no one else’s permission, and no one else has the authority to deny or refuse the order. Get that through your head.
In this case, which was reported way back in 2018 by MSNBC (no ally to Trump) clearly reported Trump ordering declassification, and the resistance being given to do so. Now pay close attention to what is reported here, and the biased slant, and the insinuations that there was 4 different judges approving the warrants to spy on Trump, and how the reporter and shifty Schiff is crying foul. The fact is, what the reporter doesn’t mention, because it wasn’t revealed at the time (because it was “classified”) was the fact that the FBI falsely and illegally presented to the FISA COURT an altered communication between the CIA and FBI which the CIA acknowledged Carter Paige as a CIA intelligence operative collecting information from Russian agents, and reporting back to the CIA. The FBI altered that document to indicate that Paige was NOT working for the CIA, and therefore his contacts with the Russian agents were suspected to be on behalf of Trump, which obviously was the exact opposite of the truth.
Furthermore, I’d draw your attention to the fact that it is admitted by this hostile MSNBC report that Trump indeed has the authority to declassify “anything he wants to”, and his order to declassify that information had the “intelligence community scrambling”.
Well, of course they were scrambling, and likely shyting themselves too, because that “classified” information would prove their criminal conduct in THEIR involvement in attempting to subvert the 2016 election, including their use of salacious and false information attained from Russian agents. In other words, they were the ones colluding with Russians to subvert the 2016 election, which is exactly what they falsely claimed Trump was doing, and they obviously didn’t want those documents to be seen by the public … so they tried to stonewall their release under the false pretext of “grave harm to national security”.
It’s like a suspected murderer wanting to keep his in-house video surveillance footage secret which shows whether or not he actually did murder his wife.
The other take away from this is the issue of “transparency”. Obviously, given Trump’s order to the intelligence community to declassify and release ALL information shows that he has no fear of what that information would reveal, because that’s not what people guilty of crimes would do. On the other hand, the intelligence agencies who are trying to keep this information secrete are doing exactly what you’d expect guilty parties to do … try to keep their crimes a secret.
More automagical thinking. Really hard to read through drivel.
Yes, a sitting president can declassify documents. But if nobody knows about it, then it did not happen.
I just saw this. He had documents from the FBI, National Security Agency, and the CIA, e.g., state secrets, and he had personally been through the boxes himself and held back the documents that were seized when the others were returned in June.
Hardly a minor oversight or a packing mistake. Trump intentiionally stole the classified docs.
I would not want to be the lawyer who signed the statement to the FBI.
I would not want to be the lawyer who signed the statement to the FBI.
From what I'm hearing tonight, two of them signed the letter. That would almost have to have been Corcoran and Bobb.
I wouldn't want to be a lawyer and get within two miles of him. He's the kiss of death for attorneys. Look what happened to Cohen, Giuliani, Wood, Ellis, and Powell.
More automagical thinking. Really hard to read through drivel.
Yes, a sitting president can declassify documents. But if nobody knows about it, then it did not happen.
With classified documents, you treat them as classified if the stamps say classified on the document. A declassified document will have declassified stamps on them. There is a procedure to declassify documents. It has to be written down. Saying something is declassified doesn't make it so.
The type of lawyer Trump will need for this is not some ordinary lawyer. This is specialized stuff and the average lawyer will never deal with this. With his reputation of not paying staff and listening to legal advice, it is going to be tricky to find a qualified attorney
From what I'm hearing tonight, two of them signed the letter. That would almost have to have been Corcoran and Bobb.
I wouldn't want to be a lawyer and get within two miles of him. He's the kiss of death for attorneys. Look what happened to Cohen, Giuliani, Wood, Ellis, and Powell.
You forgot Eastman and Clark who are looking at prison sentences
Who made that claim that docs were found in his closet? What documents? His personal documents? Is this more "anonymous source says"?
The classified docs form the CIA, NSA, and FBI. They apparently found his fingerprints all over everything in the boxes. Probably just a coincidence. I'm sure he was just shuffling through them looking for his passport.
You sound nervous. Relax. It'll all come out soon enough.
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