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Old 08-26-2022, 12:13 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Originally Posted by GearHeadDave View Post
This statement from the affidavit was particularly damning:

"...there is probable cause to believe that additional documents that contain classified NDI or that are Presidential records subject to record retention requirements currently remain at the PREMISES. There is also probable cause to believe that evidence of obstruction will be found at the PREMISES." (from Page 2, paragraph 3).

https://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000...f-dafe79d30000

It's hard to understate how screwed Trump is at this point.
I don't see how since the affidavit admits that they were already informed that Trump had declassified the documents, and as I've already explained... the fact is that the PRA places POTUS under NO legal obligation whatsoever to preserve and hand over every document, etc., related to his Admin.

We saw exactly such a case asserting the PRA and claiming that all Presidential documents/records are subject to it thrown out by a federal judge in 2019, citing prior precedents.

 
Old 08-26-2022, 12:15 PM
 
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Not looking too good for Trump. I think he can kiss any hope of a 2nd term goodbye
 
Old 08-26-2022, 12:16 PM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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Yeah okay, neither you nor your tweeter read the affidavit it would seem.

The affidavit shows the letter. While the letter does not say to "lock" the room, but it does say to "secure" the room. Secure, lock, same difference really.




And as far as seeing people go in and out of the room, seems Trump's lawyers were going in and out of the room to search and find the documents so that they could be returned. Only shallow thinkers wouldn't think of that.

Why are you spreading twitter lies?
If that happened and they didn't have security clearance to handle the docs, they broke the law. We don't know what the FBI saw on the security camera footage they got from MAL, but it probably involves unqualified people going into the rooms where the docs were kept.
 
Old 08-26-2022, 12:18 PM
 
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The three laws that the DOJ has put forth in their warrant does not depend on whether or not the documents are classified.

However, unless he went through the proper process to have them declassified, then they are still classified.
1) The affidavit admits they were already informed that Trump had declassified them, so that's moot.

2) If this is just about a PRA dispute with NARA, we've already been through this... the fact is that the PRA places POTUS under NO legal obligation whatsoever to preserve and hand over every document, etc., related to his Admin.

We saw exactly such a case asserting the PRA and claiming that all Presidential documents/records are subject to it thrown out by a federal judge in 2019 during Trump's Presidency, citing prior precedents. Why wouldn't Trump be able act according to legal precedent reaffirmed, yet again, during his own term in office?
 
Old 08-26-2022, 12:18 PM
 
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One part I found interesting: when describing some of the content of the 15 boxes (obtained in January 2022), it was then noted that there were handwritten notes by Mr. Trump, followed immediately by a lot of redacted material, presumably of said notes.

Intriguing.
 
Old 08-26-2022, 12:20 PM
 
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I don't see how since the affidavit admits that they were already informed that Trump had declassified the documents, and as I've already explained... the fact is that the PRA places POTUS under NO legal obligation whatsoever to preserve and hand over every document, etc., related to his Admin.
Please cite the case!

The PRA establishes that it is the duty of the National Archives to determine which documents are personal and which belong to the government.

Trump did not follow the law:

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Establishes that Presidential records automatically transfer into the legal custody of the Archivist as soon as the President leaves office.

Establishes a process by which the President may restrict and the public may obtain access to these records after the President leaves office; specifically, the PRA allows for public access to Presidential records through the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) beginning five years after the end of the Administration, but allows the President to invoke as many as six specific restrictions to public access for up to twelve years.
https://www.archives.gov/presidentia.../1978-act.html
 
Old 08-26-2022, 12:20 PM
 
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lock him up! he didn’t use acid free archival preservation materials
 
Old 08-26-2022, 12:23 PM
 
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Another interesting part of the affidavit was the description of all the steps that had been taken prior to the search. We had that timeline all along from the journalists in the main stream media. Kudos to them for a stupendous job.
 
Old 08-26-2022, 12:25 PM
 
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Why the hell did Donald Trump have highly classified information about our NSA & CIA spies? Why would he bring that information home with him?
 
Old 08-26-2022, 12:26 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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I guess we can throw out all those claims that Mar-A-Lago had a secure storage room.

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61. On June 8, 2022, DOJ COUNSEL sent FPOTUS COUNSEL 1 a letter, which
reiterated that the PREMISES are not autho1ized to store classified info1mation and requested the
preservation of the STORAGE ROOM and boxes that had been moved from the White House to
the PREMISES. Specifically, the letter stated in relevant part:
As I previously indicated to you, Mar-a-Lago does not include a secure location
authorized for the storage of classified inf01mation. As such, it appears that since the time
classified documents were removed
from the secure facilities at the White House and moved to Mar-a-Lago on or around
January 20, 2021, they have not been handled in au approp1iate manner or stored in au
appropriate location. Accordingly, we ask that the room at Mar-a-Lago where the
documents had been stored be secured and that all of the boxes that were moved from the
White House to Mar-a-Lago (along with any other items in that room) be preserved in that
room in their current condition until further notice.
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