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I already know just from the title that reading through this thread is going to be a spectacular display of ignorance and of people insisting that exercising their rights is somehow proof of guilt.
If you don't know when and why you should exercise your 5A rights or you think that Trump doing so is proof of anything other than he's exercising his rights, you need to do some reading.
I know we have lawyers on the forum. They're usually pretty happy to chime in. It'll be interesting to see if they do here.
I already know just from the title that reading through this thread is going to be a spectacular display of ignorance and of people insisting that exercising their rights is somehow proof of guilt.
If you don't know when and why you should exercise your 5A rights or you think that Trump doing so is proof of anything other than he's exercising his rights, you need to do some reading.
I know we have lawyers on the forum. They're usually pretty happy to chime in. It'll be interesting to see if they do here.
No that's not the gist of this thread at all.
The gist of this thread is Trump touted that pleading the 5th meant you were guilty.
And then he plead the 5th.
We all know that exercising your rights is what anyone should do. It's just that Trump most definitely said that exercising those rights mean you are guilty.....and then he exercised those rights.
He said something stupid and that's the end of it.
Former President Donald Trump invoked his Fifth Amendment rights and declined to answer questions from the New York attorney general at a scheduled deposition Wednesday.
"Under the advice of my counsel and for all of the above reasons, I declined to answer the questions under the rights and privileges afforded to every citizen under the United States Constitution," Trump said in a statement.
Trump was to be deposed by lawyers from New York Attorney General Letitia James' office as part of a more than three-year civil investigation into the Trump Organization's finances.
Trump said in a post on Truth Social earlier Wednesday morning that he would be "seeing" James "for a continuation of the greatest Witch Hunt in U.S. history! My great company, and myself, are being attacked from all sides. Banana Republic!"
Trump has had a lot to say about the Fifth Amendment in the past.
“You see the mob takes the Fifth,” he said. “If you’re innocent, why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?”
Another time, he said, “Fifth Amendment. Fifth Amendment. Fifth Amendment. Horrible.”
During a presidential debate, he said,
When you have your staff taking the Fifth Amendment, taking the Fifth, so they’re not prosecuted, when you have the man that set up the illegal server taking the Fifth, I think it’s disgraceful.
Good for him. These corruptocrats started abusing their powers within government ever since Trump won the repub primary in 2016.
The way Trump supporters would rather believe all kinds of crazy conspiracy theories and make excuses for a guy that's been known to be a liar and a scumbag his entire life instead of just believing the truth that's right in front of them is fascinating.
It's like they live in an alternate universe.
The alternative universe is the one "we've got him now, he really did break the law, no, we swear!" Democrats are living in if they think there is any legitimacy to their accusations. The nerve of Democrats, after the Obama DOJ lied on the FISA warrant, then spent 2 years on the mueller witch hunt, to say Trump is a threat to democracy? Ha. More gaslighting.
The way Trump has been treated, any human would have just given up. Not him. Look up juggernaut in the dictionary, his picture might be next to it. He cares so much about his country he is going to expose himself to 4+ more years of abuse.
In a perfect world there would be artists carving a fifth president in Mt Rushmore right now, but we know the world is far from perfect.
Look at who is in the white house.
Just remember after the mueller report was released, hollywood liberals appeared on TV with a dramatic ad imploring readers to JUST READ THE REPORT. They couldnt just say what page the evidence was on? If it was in the report, why did you have to drag mueller into the capital to testify? What happened then?
Thats right. "Now, we really really really got him. For reals. Simon says."
Any lawyers here? Trump did not say he was "avoiding self-incrimination", he said he was declining to answer the questions "under the rights and privileges afforded to every citizen under the United States Constitution".
The first thing a judge will say to a jury in jury instructions in a trial is the jury may not infer anything when a witness or respondent invokes a Fifth Amendment right.
What the Fifth Amendment says is no person "shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself". The courts have expanded that right to civil cases such as this one. The State (government) cannot make you testify. That is a bedrock of American civil rights.
Of course innocent people use their Constitutional rights, it is ignorant, naive or disingenuous to say otherwise
Yes, he has this right.
But what's so ironic is that Trump had insisted that an innocent person won't take the fifth:
“The mob takes the Fifth Amendment."
“If you’re innocent, why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?”
So he is by his own definition, a criminal. That's what's interesting about this.
The gist of this thread is Trump touted that pleading the 5th meant you were guilty.
And then he plead the 5th.
We all know that exercising your rights is what anyone should do. It's just that Trump most definitely said that exercising those rights mean you are guilty.....and then he exercised those rights.
He said something stupid and that's the end of it.
Pleading the fifth under a lawful and proper legal proceeding, sure. But what Trump has been subjected to since 2017 is a miscarriage of justice, and he should observe his Right to remain silent during the use of these Satanist tactics to crucify him as their political enemy
But then, she knew she was Not Guilty, and had nothing to hide.
Wow.
I don't believe you're naive enough to believe that the justice system has treated both Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump equally. You're smarter than that, and you're more knowledgeable than that, which leaves only one possibility - the one I can't say due to local rules.
I hate to rehash old stuff, but this can be done rather quickly. Hillary Clinton destroyed evidence which was under subpoena. That's it. That's all you need to know. Ignorance of the law (her excuse [oh, you wanted emails about the grandkids too?]) not only isn't an excuse - SHE'S A LAWYER, so it's not even a possibility.
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