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Old 08-14-2022, 06:45 AM
 
Location: East Lansing, MI
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WRONG!

The president has absolute authority to make whatever changes to the classified status of documents he likes and may do so any time he still retains the powers of his office.

No, he doesn't need to sign anything, hold a ceremony, make an announcement or anything else.

If the documents were removed while he was still in office, they are declassified by default.

Uh..... no.
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Old 08-14-2022, 06:47 AM
 
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In his zeal to persecute Hillary, Trump signed a law in 2018, making the removal of classified documents a felony. The penalty was changed from one year to five years making it a felony.

LMAO you can’t make this ish up!
It's the best news ever. I LOVE when idiots shoot themselves in the foot.
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Old 08-14-2022, 07:03 AM
 
Location: Retired in VT; previously MD & NJ
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He will be hoisted on his own petard.
I never understood what that phrase really meant. A petard is a small bomb.
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Old 08-14-2022, 07:06 AM
 
Location: Retired in VT; previously MD & NJ
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Guys, it is probably INCORRECT to say he declassified the documents.

He had the absolute right to do so for national security issues. I don't for one second think he actually did declassify documents, but he definitely had the right.

But it's also incorrect to say that there's no room for doubt. Paperwork mistakes happen all the time, and it would be difficult to say that there wasn't a bureaucratic error in implementing his intent.
The FBI carried out several boxes of classified documents from Mar A Lago last Monday, plus the others they took in June. That's a lot more than a few paperwork mistakes.
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Old 08-14-2022, 07:09 AM
 
Location: Retired in VT; previously MD & NJ
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IF there is proof he declassified those documents, this is a nothing burger as that was his right as President. And if he didnt well the DOJ already established with Hilary Clinton that unless there was illegal intent there is no crime. Remember Comey's big speech on the matter saying the FBI and Justice department found Hilary had Yes broken the law but since there was no intent it was not a crime.....
I think that was before Trump made it a felony by increasing the jail time. Does that intent rule still apply now that taking home classified docs is a felony?
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Old 08-14-2022, 07:14 AM
 
Location: Retired in VT; previously MD & NJ
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yep, the president has the power to unilaterally declassify anything....the constitution gives him that right

just because it has an old stamp on it that says "classified".....doesn't mean it's still classified

all Trump has to say is he declassified it all

Hillary was never president....she can't do that
How would anyone else know a document was automagically declassified if it still has a classified stamp on it?

Let's not be dumb about this. A doc can't be declassified just because he said so. It has to be re-marked so others will know.
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Old 08-14-2022, 07:15 AM
 
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Trump did not personally remove anything. Take it up with his staff. Trump has a secret clearance. He can review/store whatever he wants as long as the are kept under lock and key.
100% untrue. The rules for handling classified material are very specific. Someone with access to classified material can't simply carry it home in a locked briefcase. There are processes that must be followed. Furthermore, having a clearance doesn't allow one to "review" whatever they want. There's something called "need to know". Simply having a secret clearance doesn't allow you to access all secret material.
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Old 08-14-2022, 07:17 AM
 
Location: Retired in VT; previously MD & NJ
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so every law Congress created that Trump signed is a law "he did" now?

it was FISA Extension, introduced by Orrin Hatch, co-sponsored by 12 fairly evenly split between R & D. Passed the Senate by unanimous consent. R's in the House voted 4-1 in favor, Dems 2-1 against. Then after a minor House Amendment passed 2-1 in the Senate, with 7 R's voting no and 21 Dems voting yes.
Yes it is Trump's law. He signed it willingly. He did not veto it.
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Old 08-14-2022, 07:20 AM
 
Location: Retired in VT; previously MD & NJ
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A president can declare something that is top secret to be no longer classified, and he doesn't even have to tell anyone.

The removal of classified documents literally becomes constructive declassification when the action is taken by the president.

I'm surprised I had to explain that to you.
I'm surprised you think a president can do things automagically.

If the document is still marked as classified, it still has to be treated as classified. When was the last time you had a security clearance?
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Old 08-14-2022, 07:22 AM
 
Location: Retired in VT; previously MD & NJ
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WRONG!

The president has absolute authority to make whatever changes to the classified status of documents he likes and may do so any time he still retains the powers of his office.

No, he doesn't need to sign anything, hold a ceremony, make an announcement or anything else.

If the documents were removed while he was still in office, they are declassified by default.
He has the authority to change the classification. He still has to get the classified label removed from the document. Otherwise how would anybody know that doc had been declassified?
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