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Old 09-29-2022, 12:40 PM
 
Location: Raleigh NC
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Originally Posted by Monello View Post
Cooking the books to ensure the party of criminals, open borders, abortion on demand and guy on the women's team has an advantage.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/mark...d9eac82110a2bf
your link got screwed up. here's a correct one:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/mark...es/ar-AA12o1jd
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Old 09-29-2022, 12:43 PM
 
Location: Raleigh NC
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The books were cooked, sent an additional 9 Democrat Congressman to Washington. Republicans need to be more proactive instead of reactive to Democrat fraud.
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all the growth in Republican states are in Democratic areas
there's no way to tell from the article provided (nor any links within) to discern whether they would elect D's or R's, nor which areas of said states were undercounted to determine the majority of political registrations.

However, if one wishes, they can go directly to the Post Enumeration Survey, which was released in May.

https://www.census.gov/library/visua...on-survey.html

Last edited by BoBromhal; 09-29-2022 at 12:45 PM.. Reason: added link
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Old 09-29-2022, 12:44 PM
 
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Who was in charge during the 2020 Census? Who tried to modify the way the Census was taken? Who tried to accelerate the Census reporting?

This news came out in May 2022, so it's not new.

Here's an article with some details(may be behind a paywall) https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...st-red-states/

Here's the first part of that article(small enough to be fair use)
"The Trump administration spent an extraordinary amount of time and effort messing with the census over four years. Its apparent aim: It wanted to exclude undocumented immigrants from population counts, thereby allowing Republicans to draw more favorable maps in redistricting and gain more ground in the House.

The effort ultimately failed. And it now seems possible that these efforts might have played a role in costing red states seats.
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Edit to add another link with information on the Census data quality https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...e-2020-census/

Last edited by WRM20; 09-29-2022 at 01:03 PM..
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Old 09-29-2022, 12:45 PM
 
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there's no way to tell from the article provided (nor any links within) to discern whether they would elect D's or R's, nor which areas of said states were undercounted to determine the majority of political registrations.
What the OP shared has been rehashed on pg. 9 of all newspapers for the past 2 months. They completely messed around with the analysis of the data given and gave more seats to the D's.
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Old 09-29-2022, 12:46 PM
 
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Is it because Republicans don't fill out the census or a concerted effort to cheat by the ruling class who's goal is to disarm us? Maybe the article is BS? One of three options.
Nothing to do with who filled out what. They basically fudged numbers, on an analysis over/undercounting populations with 15% error rates. It was a complete fraud.
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Old 09-29-2022, 12:50 PM
 
Location: Raleigh NC
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What the OP shared has been rehashed on pg. 9 of all newspapers for the past 2 months. They completely messed around with the analysis of the data given and gave more seats to the D's.
I don't bother with any print newspapers.
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Old 09-29-2022, 12:58 PM
 
Location: Pine Grove,AL
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Originally Posted by BoBromhal View Post
there's no way to tell from the article provided (nor any links within) to discern whether they would elect D's or R's, nor which areas of said states were undercounted to determine the majority of political registrations.

However, if one wishes, they can go directly to the Post Enumeration Survey, which was released in May.

https://www.census.gov/library/visua...on-survey.html
Texas 21st had 100,000 more votes than at least 27 of Texas 36 seats. When they drew the new map, they created a safe seat in Austin that will still be projected to get more votes than 22/36 seats.

On top of that, Williamson County is not split between 4 congressional districts.

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What the OP shared has been rehashed on pg. 9 of all newspapers for the past 2 months. They completely messed around with the analysis of the data given and gave more seats to the D's.
You mean D leaning States, not D's.

For example, the Minnesota seat that would have got the X would have been a Republican one, Same with NY as those are the under populated seats.
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Old 09-29-2022, 01:13 PM
 
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Nothing to do with who filled out what. They basically fudged numbers, on an analysis over/undercounting populations with 15% error rates. It was a complete fraud.
The apportionment is based on actual count, as required by the Constitution. Using statistical analysis would result in better numbers, but the courts have said that only the actual count data can be used.

The rush put on the Census by Trump, along with cutting off the count early made it impossible for the Census takers to complete all of their follow ups. There was no fraud.
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Old 09-29-2022, 08:05 PM
 
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Who was in charge during the 2020 Census? Who tried to modify the way the Census was taken? Who tried to accelerate the Census reporting?

This news came out in May 2022, so it's not new.

Here's an article with some details(may be behind a paywall) https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...st-red-states/

Here's the first part of that article(small enough to be fair use)
"The Trump administration spent an extraordinary amount of time and effort messing with the census over four years. Its apparent aim: It wanted to exclude undocumented immigrants from population counts, thereby allowing Republicans to draw more favorable maps in redistricting and gain more ground in the House.

The effort ultimately failed. And it now seems possible that these efforts might have played a role in costing red states seats.
"

Edit to add another link with information on the Census data quality https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...e-2020-census/
What's an undocumented immigrant? They are illegal aliens and shouldn't be counted in our census as they aren't lawfully in our country.
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Old 09-29-2022, 10:05 PM
 
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What's an undocumented immigrant? They are illegal aliens and shouldn't be counted in our census as they aren't lawfully in our country.
"Undocumented immigrant" came from the article. Ask the Washington Post what they meant, I can't speak for them.

The Constitution requires an "actual enumeration" of everyone present in the United states. Whether or not the 2020 Census should have a citizenship question went to the Supreme Court which said that such a question was permissible, but the Department of Commerce, which is the department where the Census Bureau resides, waited too long to change the process, and held that the question could not be added to the 2020 Census.

In any case, everyone in the US gets counted, regardless of status.
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