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Old 08-22-2022, 07:39 AM
 
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When will we start to see "progress" from these things?
What do you mean by "progress"?

Al Gore became filthy rich.

How much more progress do you want?
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Old 08-22-2022, 07:40 AM
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The biggest current environmental fears are related to he Zaporizhzhia plant in Ukraine, and the placing of explosives in the reactors by Russian forces, with threats to blow them up.

The Zaporizhzhia plant is the largest nuclear plant in Europe and more than four times larger than Chernobyl.

The current wind conditions would mean that any fall out would be felt in Western Europe as opposed to Russia.

The other major problem is China, and Pelosi's recent visit has ensured that the Chinese are not even willing to negotiate on the issue any more.

The situation at the Zaporizhzhia plant in Ukraine -


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuCNNvglOqw
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Old 08-22-2022, 08:34 AM
 
Location: TX
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That's not what the Democrats tell us though.

They are going to "save the planet." By giving them more tax money, of course.
The "climate crisis" is all about money.

Scientists and researchers get their money for studies.
Corporations get their money in the way of tax credits.
Politicians get their money from lobbyists and friends who have businesses in the "clean energy" sector.
Poor countries get money from rich countries.
The "underserved communities" get their redistribution of wealth from the "haves".

All at the expense of the ~40% of taxpayers in this country who actually pay taxes. Think of it as the climate change industrial complex. So no, things will never improve. It will only get bigger and we'll spend more and more money "fighting" it.
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Old 08-22-2022, 08:39 AM
 
Location: King County, WA
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The "climate crisis" is all about money.

Scientists and researchers get their money for studies.
Corporations get their money in the way of tax credits.
Politicians get their money from lobbyists and friends who have businesses in the "clean energy" sector.
Poor countries get money from rich countries.
The "underserved communities" get their redistribution of wealth from the "haves".

All at the expense of the ~40% of taxpayers in this country who actually pay taxes. Think of it as the climate change industrial complex. So no, things will never improve. It will only get bigger and we'll spend more and more money "fighting" it.
Don't forget to include the massive amounts of money spent recovering from climate-change induced weather disasters. Those are also paid for by the taxpayers, and the costs are increasing exponentially.

2021 U.S. billion-dollar weather and climate disasters in historical context
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Old 08-22-2022, 08:41 AM
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Now that the 'climate bill' has been passed, and 'change' addressed, it will take a couple decades for the mother earth to heal.
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Old 08-22-2022, 08:48 AM
 
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Now that the 'climate bill' has been passed, and 'change' addressed, it will take a couple decades for the mother earth to heal.
How convenient.
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Old 08-22-2022, 08:48 AM
 
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EV’s until the charging electricity is created by nuclear does NOTHING to reduce emissions. It just isolates, the smog from the coal burning plants to a more defined place until it spreads. The left needs to realize, that the infrastructure is 20-30 years away from fully supporting all green energy. Probably longer than that. Trying to go all green now? Means death, disease, starvation, and the lowest quality of life the world has seen on a mass scale.

Simply put, WE ARE NOT READY TO GO ALL GREEN! Start working towards it now and MAYBE, your children can be green!
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Old 08-22-2022, 08:56 AM
 
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EV’s until the charging electricity is created by nuclear does NOTHING to reduce emissions. It just isolates, the smog from the coal burning plants to a more defined place until it spreads. The left needs to realize, that the infrastructure is 20-30 years away from fully supporting all green energy. Probably longer than that. Trying to go all green now? Means death, disease, starvation, and the lowest quality of life the world has seen on a mass scale.

Simply put, WE ARE NOT READY TO GO ALL GREEN! Start working towards it now and MAYBE, your children can be green!
But even then, what will it matter?

Do you think Earth's temperature isn't going to still do what it wants, regardless of whether the entire planet still burns coal or not?
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Old 08-22-2022, 08:56 AM
 
Location: Vallejo
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For all the environmentalists, we've been recycling, driving more electric vehicles, using solar panels, wind turbines, etc etc for many years now.

We were just sold "The biggest congressional action on climate change in history" with this new 750 billion dollar deficit spending bill that was just passed.

When will we start to see "progress" from these things? In 5 years, shouldn't we be able to look back and say wow, here is concrete evidence that this new bill lowered Earth's temperature X amount? (By the way, can any of you tell me what the proper temperature for Earth should be? If we know it's "too hot" now, obviously we should know our target temp, right?)

Why do we keep saying we're getting worse? Does this mean all of these actions you've been demanding for years are having no effect?

Where are the climate scientists saying "Hey, what we're doing is working, Good job!"

Or is the goal to simply keep everyone in panic and fear? Or, maybe all of this has no affect, as the "climate heathens" have been saying all along?
No, and we really aren't doing anything approaching a good job. Global CO is up from 22 trillion tons in 1990 to over 35 trillion tons. The only time we've briefly done anything but worse was during COVID. Sorry to burst the bubble that recycling your clamshell takeout containers which just get separated out and sent to the landfill is actually doing anything. We're just doing less worse than we would have otherwise, really long way to go to doing better.

In some limited ways though you can see progress. For example, the ozone layer has recovered very well. But overall nobody really knows but we'd probably need to get well under 1990 levels and then it would take a couple of decades to notice much change. Which we all know that's not happening anytime soon. So, yeah, it's mostly just slightly slowing down the inevitable to prolong the good times rather than anything to do with reversing the effects. Good times will probably last a good while yet. I may or may not see when we start having more serious consequences towards the end of my life.

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Old 08-22-2022, 08:58 AM
 
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No, and we really aren't doing anything approaching a good job. Global CO is up from 22 trillion tons in 1990 to over 35 trillion tons. The only time we've briefly done anything but worse was during COVID. Sorry to burst the bubble that recycling your clamshell takeout containers which just get separated out and sent to the landfill is actually doing anything.
Yeah I think now you're getting it. The light bulb is coming on.

The environMENTAList movement is pretty ineffectual and pointless!

It just makes certain people rich and certain other "feel" better.
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