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Old 08-22-2022, 08:30 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Goodnight View Post
Pretty much all historians rate Trump in the bottom 4, although he served in good times outside the pandemic he had almost no accomplishments.
"Historians" listed Trump as one of the Worst Presidents in January of 2017.

Your right he did "almost" nothing, just a few of the highlights.

Just worked on securing the border - The same border that on Biden's first day in Office ended the programs to build a wall. I guess we now know why, he had to make sure all of those Wall builders were available for his house.

Trump put in tax cuts and reforms that DIDN'T increase inflation, or go after the Middle Class.

And I am quite surprised that the COVIDANS seem to forget that it was under his administration that the COVID vaccine was developed. You know the exact same vaccine that Biden said he would never take and never force anyone to get. Only to turn around and not only get it but illegally tried to force millions in this country to get.

Oh and let's not forget he is probably the only President in History who was able to live in Democrats' minds Rent Free almost two years after he left office.

 
Old 08-22-2022, 08:58 AM
 
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Originally Posted by r small View Post
W was bad. Worse even than Trump. But he's turned out to be a pretty good ex-president. Quiet and respectful of the position of a former president. Meanwhile Trump is by far the worst ex-president in history. Like a two-year kid having a 24/7 temper tantrum.
You are the one ignoring the facts. I will keep posting this info EVERY time you post your baseless rant. get uses to it.

The DEMS VOTED FOR THE WARS AND FUNDED THEM. THEY HAVE CONTINUED TO FUND THEM EVEN
THE OBAMA ADMIN IS FUNDING THEM.

Under W."
"Tax revenues INCREASED after the tax cuts were implemented. Again the DEMS VOTED FOR the tax cuts. The dems voted TO EXTEND the tax cuts.

Publication: Business Wire
Date: Friday, January 4 2008

More Than 8.3 Million Jobs Created Since August 2003 In Longest Continuous Run Of Job Growth On Record

WASHINGTON -- Today, the Bureau of Labor Statistics released new jobs figures - 18,000 jobs created in December. Since August 2003, more than 8.3 million jobs have been created, with more than 1.3 million jobs created throughout 2007. Our economy has now added jobs for 52 straight months - the longest period of uninterrupted job growth on record. The unemployment rate remains low at 5 percent. The U.S. economy benefits from a solid foundation, but we cannot take economic growth for granted and economic indicators have become increasingly mixed. President Bush will continue working with Congress to address the challenges our economy faces and help facilitate long-term economic growth, job growth, and better standards of living for all Americans.



* Real GDP grew at a strong 4.9 percent annual rate in the third quarter of 2007. The economy has now experienced six years of uninterrupted growth, averaging 2.8 percent a year since 2001.

* Real after-tax per capita personal income has risen by 11.7 percent - an average of more than $3,550 per person - since President Bush took office.

* Over the course of this Administration, productivity growth has averaged 2.6 percent per year. This growth is well above average productivity growth in the 1990s, 1980s, and 1970s.


By 2003, Mr. Bush grasped this lesson. In that year, he cut the dividend and capital gains rates to 15 percent each, and the economy responded. In two years, stocks rose 20 percent. In three years, $15 trillion of new wealth was created. The U.S. economy added 8 million new jobs from mid-2003 to early 2007, and the median household increased its wealth by $20,000 in real terms.



But the real jolt for tax-cutting opponents was that the 03 Bush tax cuts also generated a massive increase in federal tax receipts. From 2004 to 2007, federal tax revenues increased by $785 billion, the largest four-year increase in American history. According to the Treasury Department, individual and corporate income tax receipts were up 40 percent in the three years following the Bush tax cuts. And (bonus) the rich paid an even higher percentage of the total tax burden than they had at any time in at least the previous 40 years. This was news to theNew York Times, whose astonished editorial board could only describe the gains as a “surprise windfall.”"
 
Old 08-22-2022, 09:02 AM
 
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Originally Posted by FrankNSense View Post
"Historians" listed Trump as one of the Worst Presidents in January of 2017.

Your right he did "almost" nothing, just a few of the highlights.

Just worked on securing the border - The same border that on Biden's first day in Office ended the programs to build a wall. I guess we now know why, he had to make sure all of those Wall builders were available for his house.

Trump put in tax cuts and reforms that DIDN'T increase inflation, or go after the Middle Class.

And I am quite surprised that the COVIDANS seem to forget that it was under his administration that the COVID vaccine was developed. You know the exact same vaccine that Biden said he would never take and never force anyone to get. Only to turn around and not only get it but illegally tried to force millions in this country to get.

Oh and let's not forget he is probably the only President in History who was able to live in Democrats' minds Rent Free almost two years after he left office.
"Historians"
Name them

I posted a list many of the "good " things Trump did a while back

The list was so long, it took me 3 posting to get them all in.

Of course I did NOT receive 1 comment from anyone on the left.
 
Old 08-22-2022, 09:09 AM
 
Location: Jacksonville, FL
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Originally Posted by Goodnight View Post
That was Trumps withdrawal plan that he negotiated but never quite got around to in 4 years. Trump would have found a way to keep all that military material, we just know it.
Bull excrement. Biden did not follow Trump's withdrawal plan, and you know it. At this point, if you don't know that Biden dropped Trump's plan, you are willfully ignorant. While you and I don't agree on several issues, I've never known you to be willfully ignorant. Therefore, I can only conclude that you are lying on purpose. You are purposely spreading lies about the Afghanistan withdrawal in order to take the heat for that debacle off of the potato that you helped to elect.
 
Old 08-22-2022, 09:25 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Originally Posted by ottomobeale View Post
Meh. Trump is between 5th and 10th worst.

Buchanan, Pierce, Johnson are all safely in a league of their own in terrible.

Our last 4 presidents all vie along with Carter, Harding... missing a couple. All in the next group.
Trump ranks 4th or 5th from the bottom in most surveys. I’m surprised GW is rated so high.
 
Old 08-22-2022, 09:31 AM
 
Location: Long Island
57,264 posts, read 26,192,233 times
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Originally Posted by JimRom View Post
Bull excrement. Biden did not follow Trump's withdrawal plan, and you know it. At this point, if you don't know that Biden dropped Trump's plan, you are willfully ignorant. While you and I don't agree on several issues, I've never known you to be willfully ignorant. Therefore, I can only conclude that you are lying on purpose. You are purposely spreading lies about the Afghanistan withdrawal in order to take the heat for that debacle off of the potato that you helped to elect.
Trump negotiated with the Taliban bypassing the Afghan government, released 5,000 of the worst prisoners and stopped paying the military, so not surprising the country was in free fall. Biden could have done things better but that would have required more troops and that would be risky. The Taliban was holding us to Trumps withdrawal date, do you know different.
 
Old 08-22-2022, 09:33 AM
 
Location: OH->FL->NJ
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Originally Posted by katharsis View Post

And people thought that Bill Clinton was bad!
Clinton is almost... ?quaint? at this point

Quote:
Originally Posted by Goodnight View Post
Trump ranks 4th or 5th from the bottom in most surveys. I’m surprised GW is rated so high.
IMHO Biden is worse, just for differing reasons. We have had 20+ years of AWFUL.
 
Old 08-22-2022, 09:39 AM
 
Location: Jacksonville, FL
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Originally Posted by Goodnight View Post
Trump negotiated with the Taliban bypassing the Afghan government, released 5,000 of the worst prisoners and stopped paying the military, so not surprising the country was in free fall. Biden could have done things better but that would have required more troops and that would be risky. The Taliban was holding us to Trumps withdrawal date, do you know different.
You know different.

Last edited by CaseyB; 08-22-2022 at 10:49 AM.. Reason: rude
 
Old 08-22-2022, 10:41 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Originally Posted by Goodnight View Post
That was Trumps withdrawal plan that he negotiated but never quite got around to in 4 years. Trump would have found a way to keep all that military material, we just know it.
what happened was NOT trumps negotiation

Trumps negotiation kept Bagram Air Base, and the prison on it
Trumps negotiation kept the embassy, and all its support (to include troops) personnel
Trumps negotiation kept all the military contractors, and even kept the afghan rail team, who was teaching to Afghanis' to operate the railroads within Afghanistan (I was on the rail team at one time)

what biduh did was a chicken crap retreat, leaving 7 billion dollars in military equipment
 
Old 08-22-2022, 10:43 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Quick Enough View Post
You are the one ignoring the facts. I will keep posting this info EVERY time you post your baseless rant. get uses to it.

The DEMS VOTED FOR THE WARS AND FUNDED THEM. THEY HAVE CONTINUED TO FUND THEM EVEN
THE OBAMA ADMIN IS FUNDING THEM.

Under W."
"Tax revenues INCREASED after the tax cuts were implemented. Again the DEMS VOTED FOR the tax cuts. The dems voted TO EXTEND the tax cuts.

Publication: Business Wire
Date: Friday, January 4 2008

More Than 8.3 Million Jobs Created Since August 2003 In Longest Continuous Run Of Job Growth On Record

WASHINGTON -- Today, the Bureau of Labor Statistics released new jobs figures - 18,000 jobs created in December. Since August 2003, more than 8.3 million jobs have been created, with more than 1.3 million jobs created throughout 2007. Our economy has now added jobs for 52 straight months - the longest period of uninterrupted job growth on record. The unemployment rate remains low at 5 percent. The U.S. economy benefits from a solid foundation, but we cannot take economic growth for granted and economic indicators have become increasingly mixed. President Bush will continue working with Congress to address the challenges our economy faces and help facilitate long-term economic growth, job growth, and better standards of living for all Americans.



* Real GDP grew at a strong 4.9 percent annual rate in the third quarter of 2007. The economy has now experienced six years of uninterrupted growth, averaging 2.8 percent a year since 2001.

* Real after-tax per capita personal income has risen by 11.7 percent - an average of more than $3,550 per person - since President Bush took office.

* Over the course of this Administration, productivity growth has averaged 2.6 percent per year. This growth is well above average productivity growth in the 1990s, 1980s, and 1970s.


By 2003, Mr. Bush grasped this lesson. In that year, he cut the dividend and capital gains rates to 15 percent each, and the economy responded. In two years, stocks rose 20 percent. In three years, $15 trillion of new wealth was created. The U.S. economy added 8 million new jobs from mid-2003 to early 2007, and the median household increased its wealth by $20,000 in real terms.



But the real jolt for tax-cutting opponents was that the 03 Bush tax cuts also generated a massive increase in federal tax receipts. From 2004 to 2007, federal tax revenues increased by $785 billion, the largest four-year increase in American history. According to the Treasury Department, individual and corporate income tax receipts were up 40 percent in the three years following the Bush tax cuts. And (bonus) the rich paid an even higher percentage of the total tax burden than they had at any time in at least the previous 40 years. This was news to theNew York Times, whose astonished editorial board could only describe the gains as a “surprise windfall.”"
This is where money = morality becomes visible.
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