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Originally Posted by Wapasha
That's a really silly position to take. Of course people care if they are buying an EV. Before people decide to buy an EV, they check to see whether their are enough charging stations near them. Will they need to pay to have one install at home, is there one at work, etc...
The last sentence of my post is " yes, there is still a charging problem"
you literally ignored that for the sake of just responding. Chill man, if you are going to debate, read the whole post.
I think you are referring to a person with an established job, where they bought a house, or signed a lease for an aprtment close to work. A lot of people just starting out, or people who recently suffered a set back in life, are forced to take jobs pretty far away from home, because they cannot afford to be picking. It's a very lucky person who finds a job that's only 15 miles from home. A lot of people travel quite a ways into the big city each day.
My first real job was in Chicago, it was a 35 mile commute, so 70 miles round trip. Rush hour traffic eats up a lot, keeping the heater or AC on eats a a lot too. Unless you are lucky enough to have a short commute, this will not apply. Besides, you cannot just assume your policies aren't going to be a burden on people because some poll you saw says your policies work for the average person.
Um, what part of national average do you not understand?
Average takes into account both extremes of long commutes and work-at-home/run errands once a week folks.
Also, EVs do best in stop and go traffic because of lower wind resistance and regen braking.
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Police don't really go around enforcing rules in private parking lots. They are not going to create a new department to pay officers to drive around and monitor whether your car is allowed to be in that specific charger slot at Joe's Park-O-Rama
New department? Why? You could simply have a green light on a charger if the vehicle is allowed to be there and a red light if not. A drive-by would be all that's needed. Heck, these are all computerized devices with all kinds of sensors. They could issue citations right from the charger automatically, much like a red-light camera.
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Let's say you're the landlord of an apartment complex, you have to build new EV charging stations. You have to make a guess as to how many tenants in the next few years will opt to buy an EV. You also have to guess which manufacturers, makes and models, then spend hundreds of thousands to install chargers, lights cameras, etc... Then you have to contract with a provider that will handle the billing, maintenance etc...
What if your numbers are off, and you have too few or too many parking stalls with EV charging stations? Are your tenants who drive ICE cars supposed to park a mile away? They signed a lease where you promised they were allowed to park in the parking ramp, or parking lot. What if customers with an EV cannot charge, because your numbers were short?
Well, laws are being written for this so they'll have to deal.
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You don't think thieves will find a way to steal your charging cable? Or vandals won't break them?
Yeah, and they siphon gas too. Or drill a hole in your tank and drain the fuel that way. You deal.
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I'm not talking about the lucky people who can afford their own garage and personal charging station.
It would be very easy to rig a device which clamps on the outside of a public charging cable and tap the wires to steal your power. Again, I'm not talking about your attached garage.
Don't get so hung up on the the "steal your power" comment, that is only a slim possibility. The more real possibility is if that the charger your landlord assigned to you might break, or have been vandalized.
Sure, just like all night gas pumps which is practically every gas pump in the country getting vandalized. How often does that happen? Bueller?
And remember, you can't do a smash and grab with power. How many bad guys are going to commit a crime that requires that you stay put for 30 minutes -- for what, 20 dollars? Seriously?
So is Washington state, with another 14 blue states likely to follow as well. After 2035, we could have 18 states where only EV sales are allowed, and 2 of them are large with California alone having 10% of all new US vehicle sales annually.
Blue states tend to be coastal and more populous than red states. These 18 states could mean 40% or more of all new US vehicle sales have to be EV by 2035.
Who really thinks we will have the power generation and infrastructure in 14 years to support that? What is the cost of it?
It takes years to get approval to build new transmission lines, substations and power plants, I hope these states are ready.
I've seen pictures and video of charging stations installed on light poles. Call up the charging app, scan the QR code on the charger, and start charging. It's not a difficult problem to solve.
I didn't say it was, but it takes careful planning. Let's say a state decides to stick poles in the ground every 20 feet or so, to accommodate neighborhoods where everyone parks in the street. That's still a lot of taxpayer money, poles, and a lot of work
The states that are supposedly banning fossil fuel vehicles must know something the automotive manufacturers don't. They must know there is a solution for the hundreds of thousands of campers, and motorsports enthusiasts that tow their RV's and toys around the country that will be available by then.
The states that are supposedly banning fossil fuel vehicles must know something the automotive manufacturers don't. They must know there is a solution for the hundreds of thousands of campers, and motorsports enthusiasts that tow their RV's and toys around the country that will be available by then.
What will they do? Keep driving their older tow vehicles. Or give up RV life. Or get a smaller trailer instead of some 37 foot 5th wheel.
The sale of fossil fuels won't be banned, just sales of new ICE vehicles.
Yeah, just give up their hobbies, or in some cases their entire lives , for those that live on the road. That seems rational.
And if there are no solutions for those that have been mentioned, entire industries will go under. Going green definitely costs...not only money but jobs, and hobbies as well.
I guess on a positive note, the value for all those old tow vehicles and RV's will go up. And companies that specialize in the maintenance and repair of ICE powered vehicles will be extremely busy keeping all that old iron on the road.
Yeah, just give up their hobbies, or in some cases their entire lives , for those that live on the road. That seems rational.
And if there are no solutions for those that have been mentioned, entire industries will go under. Going green definitely costs...not only money but jobs, and hobbies as well.
I guess on a positive note, the value for all those old tow vehicles and RV's will go up. And companies that specialize in the maintenance and repair of ICE powered vehicles will be extremely busy keeping all that old iron on the road.
Times change, and new hobbies are necessary. Going green won't be a net loss in jobs, it will be a change in the nature of the jobs, just like the buggy whip and carriage makers had to adapt when cars became common, and the industrial belt drive makers had to adapt when electric motors started driving industrial equipment.
Times change, and new hobbies are necessary. Going green won't be a net loss in jobs, it will be a change in the nature of the jobs, just like the buggy whip and carriage makers had to adapt when cars became common, and the industrial belt drive makers had to adapt when electric motors started driving industrial equipment.
Wow, you've bought into it, hook line and sinker. I don't blame you, sometimes it's just easier that way.
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