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Old 09-01-2022, 04:02 PM
 
Location: Texas
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So to listen to you many more people in this country must be armed with a gun when going out to greatly increase the possibility that evil minded and mentally disturbed people can immediately be shot down when thy suddenly pop-up shooting.
It's what the studies say.

The criminal doesn't fear the police, the judge, or the jury. The only thing left for them to fear is their intended victim.

I would think the lack of care for the mentally disturbed lowers their life span too.
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Old 09-01-2022, 04:12 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Everyone assumes the old people are dying sooner. Not true. The young people are dying sooner. Drugs, violence, lifestyle.

They wonder why it isn't working out for them, so they blame it on "access to healthcare" or some such rot.


My guess is, life expectancy will continue to decline, but not by much. There is no reason for it to reverse.
There WAS a reason for life expectancy to increase. Technology made life a lot easier from the 50's onward. Most homes and workplaces became climate controlled and men no longer worked in sweat shops until they were 50 and died of exhaustion. But that's done. Now, easy living, access to harmful drugs and poor health habits will do their work.
We have been trained to use life expectancy vs maximum human lifespan.

"But the inclusion of infant mortality rates in calculating life expectancy creates the mistaken impression that earlier generations died at a young age; Americans were not dying en masse at the age of 46 in 1907. The fact is that the maximum human lifespan — a concept often confused with "life expectancy" — has remained more or less the same for thousands of years. The idea that our ancestors routinely died young (say, at age 40) has no basis in scientific fact."

"If a couple has two children and one of them dies in childbirth while the other lives to be 90, stating that on average the couple's children lived to be 45 is statistically accurate but meaningless."


https://www.livescience.com/10569-hu...000-years.html


"As researchers Judith Rowbotham, now at the University of Plymouth, and Paul Clayton, of Oxford Brookes University, write, “once the dangerous childhood years were passed… life expectancy in the mid-Victorian period was not markedly different from what it is today”. A five-year-old girl would live to 73; a boy, to 75."

"Looking at dental wear on the skeletons of Anglo-Saxons buried about 1,500 years ago, they found that of 174 skeletons, the majority belonged to people who were under 65 – but there also were 16 people who died between 65 and 74 years old and nine who reached at least 75 years of age."

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/2...rsus-longevity
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Old 09-01-2022, 04:23 PM
 
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We have been trained to use life expectancy vs maximum human lifespan.

"But the inclusion of infant mortality rates in calculating life expectancy creates the mistaken impression that earlier generations died at a young age; Americans were not dying en masse at the age of 46 in 1907. The fact is that the maximum human lifespan — a concept often confused with "life expectancy" — has remained more or less the same for thousands of years. The idea that our ancestors routinely died young (say, at age 40) has no basis in scientific fact."

"If a couple has two children and one of them dies in childbirth while the other lives to be 90, stating that on average the couple's children lived to be 45 is statistically accurate but meaningless."


https://www.livescience.com/10569-hu...000-years.html


"But if a man got to the age of 21 and didn’t die by accident, violence or poison, he could be expected to live almost as long as men today: from 1200 to 1745, 21-year-olds would reach an average age of anywhere between 62 and 70 years – except for the 14th Century, when the bubonic plague cut life expectancy to a paltry 45."

"Looking at dental wear on the skeletons of Anglo-Saxons buried about 1,500 years ago, they found that of 174 skeletons, the majority belonged to people who were under 65 – but there also were 16 people who died between 65 and 74 years old and nine who reached at least 75 years of age."

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/2...rsus-longevity
Oh thank goodness! someone who doesnt buy the govts nonsense! The govt wants you to think that all these vaccines, drugs, "wellness" visits have prolonged peoples lives. People need to do some genealogical research on their families. Most of mine lived to their 60s, 70s, and sometimes 80s, and that goes back to the Revolution. No antibiotics, no vaccines, no corporate drug cos, no "wellness" visits, no drs, no govt telling you to do this and that etc. But most were farmers and what did they have? Exercise and raising their own food.
and yes if children lived thru childhood many would live to old age. and women dying in childbirth hasnt changed very much even in this country. Maternal deaths are a disgrace in todays world.
Do some research people and stop believing the party line!
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Old 09-01-2022, 04:28 PM
 
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no category for overdoses? i keep hearing that 107,000 died last year from fentanyl overdoses alone.
Drug Overdose Deaths in the U.S. Top 100,000 Annually
For Immediate Release: November 17, 2021

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Provisional data from CDC’s National Center for Health Statistics indicate that there were an estimated 100,306 drug overdose deaths in the United States during 12-month period ending in April 2021, an increase of 28.5% from the 78,056 deaths during the same period the year before.

The new data documents that estimated overdose deaths from opioids increased to 75,673 in the 12-month period ending in April 2021, up from 56,064 the year before. Overdose deaths from synthetic opioids (primarily fentanyl) and psychostimulants such as methamphetamine also increased in the 12-month period ending in April 2021. Cocaine deaths also increased, as did deaths from natural and semi-synthetic opioids (such as prescription pain medication).
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/n...1/20211117.htm

And overdose deaths were way up in 2020 from 2019 figures.
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Old 09-01-2022, 05:30 PM
 
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Am I the only one who doesn’t really care about life expectancy? I mean we’re all gonna die some day and our life expectancy is a lot greater than it was 100 years ago. If people want to make unhealthy choices or end their life prematurely I say good on them. Less people in the world isn’t a bad thing.

is life really that great where we wanna live forever?
Some people bring this up just to try to link it to one of their pet political causes/show how inferior we are to Western Europe. Do I, personally, care if people in Denmark on average live two years longer than the people in my country? No. No, I do not.
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Old 09-01-2022, 05:37 PM
 
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The term “Hispanic” shouldn’t be included. Hispanic is not a race and consists of multiple races. “Professor” Woolf is an idiot. Wouldn’t trust anything he says.
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Old 09-01-2022, 05:55 PM
 
Location: Native of Any Beach/FL
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Drug abuse is also a factor besides covid.
We drive batxit crazy. I refuse to drive on I-75 by Sarasota. Death every week- our lack of infrastructure and overpopulation is keeping the funeral homes busy. We kill people walking, on motorcycles and this week alone 2 separate children on bikes going to school. Wont even get into the violence and child abuse and neglect. We are out of control. Lets add suicide too.
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Old 09-01-2022, 09:41 PM
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In the article you referenced, it says it was due to the pandemic. That makes sense, since the 65+ crowd were the most likely to die.

I would imagine that it will go back to what it was before in the next couple of years- unless we experience another widespread deathly event.
Well what the article doesn't tell you, obviously since it is NPR, is that life expectancy starting declining among whites 45-54 in 2015 when Obama was president, the first time any group had declined other than in wars or during the Spanish flu. In 2016, Obama's last year, the entire population's life expectancy declined.

The big reason was deaths from despair-suicide and drugs. Opportunity for non-college educated Americans has been declining for decades. And it reached the point under Obama where life expectancy dropped.

The pandemic is just another factor thrown in that increases deaths from despair. There was a big increase in suicides during the lockdowns.
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Old 09-01-2022, 09:42 PM
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I'm sure certain posters are salivating over a reduced white population but as you said it is probably mostly due to Covid and there are more white elderly in this country which would have made them more vulnerable. So they can stop licking their chops.
Or maybe its because more whites took the vaccine? Blacks were the group most averse to the vaccine despite what you might hear trumpeted on NPR.
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Old 09-01-2022, 09:43 PM
 
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Well what the article doesn't tell you, obviously since it is NPR, is that life expectancy starting declining among whites 45-54 in 2015 when Obama was president, the first time any group had declined other than in wars or during the Spanish flu. In 2016, Obama's last year, the entire population's life expectancy declined.

The big reason was deaths from despair-suicide and drugs. Opportunity for non-college educated Americans has been declining for decades. And it reached the point under Obama where life expectancy dropped.

The pandemic is just another factor thrown in that increases deaths from despair. There was a big increase in suicides during the lockdowns.
Thanks, Obama
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