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Old 09-06-2022, 08:28 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Rocko20 View Post
Put down the western propaganda for once.

1. The Western world is about to have a recession. We cannot control energy prices and will pay dearly for shutting down the world over a 99% survival rate virus.

2. Russia has over 900K troops, a long with the full backing of Iran, China, and India. They’re clearly showing restraint. The Red Army defeated Hitler, you think they can’t defeat Ukraine?

3. Sanctions are not doing their job, because Russia has done nothing to show they are going to quit.

4. Sanctions don’t work because Iran and North Korea either already have nukes or the ability to get them.

Just use some critical thinking, it will go a long way. You keep hoping Russia is going to be impoverished, forgetting the fact that we’re about to have our own recession and Europe still needs russian energy.
Excellent post with great points. The western propaganda is on steroids with misinformation. Wasn’t Putin supposed to be dead 10 years ago according to the “experts?”

The people thinking Russia is suffering just need to neglect economic reality that Russia is prospering like never before, prices are way down compared to the hyper inflated West, and forming strong trade alliances based on sound money. What is the West doing? Virtue signaling, committing economic suicide and having men dress like women. Russia is forming economic alliances globally without bombs, something the West can’t seem to do.

One look at how ignored Biden is globally with his sanctions talk, you see the reality that the West is run by degenerate and belligerently stupid people.

 
Old 09-06-2022, 08:29 AM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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Right now, Putin controls the pace of the invasion.........
You obviously have not been paying attention at all.
Putin thought the war would be over in days. he couldn't take Kiev, so he tried to take the coast all the way to Odesa. That is now failing and he is being pushed out of Kherson and across the Dnipro river. At this moment there are 20,000 Russian soldiers stranded around Kherson; they have no supplies and cannot retreat with their armament because Ukraine has destroyed all the bridges.



It looks like Putin will end up with nothing at all and may even lose Crimea. Russian planes no longer fly over Ukraine and the Black Sea fleet cannot approach even the west side of Crimea. A lot of things are true in this war, but "Putin controlling it", ain't one of them.


In due time Russia will be impoverished by sanctions and boycotts. They will lose most of their oil and gas markets, much like Venezuela has. Venezuela has the largest oil reserve in the world and is flat broke because of sanctions.
 
Old 09-06-2022, 08:38 AM
 
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You obviously have not been paying attention at all.
Putin thought the war would be over in days. he couldn't take Kiev, so he tried to take the coast all the way to Odesa. That is now failing and he is being pushed out of Kherson and across the Dnipro river. At this moment there are 20,000 Russian soldiers stranded around Kherson; they have no supplies and cannot retreat with their armament because Ukraine has destroyed all the bridges.



It looks like Putin will end up with nothing at all and may even lose Crimea. Russian planes no longer fly over Ukraine and the Black Sea fleet cannot approach even the west side of Crimea. A lot of things are true in this war, but "Putin controlling it", ain't one of them.


In due time Russia will be impoverished by sanctions and boycotts. They will lose most of their oil and gas markets, much like Venezuela has. Venezuela has the largest oil reserve in the world and is flat broke because of sanctions.
LOL! Let me guess, you also believe in the ghost of Kiev?

All your points are false and based on misinformation. Putin never thought the war would be over in days, in fact, his strategy at the moment is brilliant as the west is destroying itself economically and the longer this plays out, the more money Russia will make with trade. Let me bring you up to speed with reality, the west doesn’t produce anything and Russia is an economic power house due to the sanctions.

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/pu...rency-collapse

Play with fire, get burned by fire. Unlike Venezuela, Russia isn’t going to be bullied by the United Empire of Earth. If history taught us one thing, westerners can’t crack the Russian front, even though they’ve been trying to steal its resources forever.
 
Old 09-06-2022, 08:51 AM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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LOL! Let me guess, you also believe in the ghost of Kiev?

All your points are false and based on misinformation. Putin never thought the war would be over in days, in fact, his strategy at the moment is brilliant as the west is destroying itself economically and the longer this plays out, the more money Russia will make with trade. Let me bring you up to speed with reality, the west doesn’t produce anything and Russia is an economic power house due to the sanctions.

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/pu...rency-collapse

Play with fire, get burned by fire. Unlike Venezuela, Russia isn’t going to be bullied by the United Empire of Earth. If history taught us one thing, westerners can’t crack the Russian front, even though they’ve been trying to steal its resources forever.
Obviously, all of your posts are guesses. You missed that one, too.
Russia is dying in place. That's why they are squirming, trying to get sanctions reversed.
Russia is going to be destroyed. The Russia of the future will be unable to field an army or maintain a navy.


("Brilliant Putin". What a HOOT!)
 
Old 09-06-2022, 08:58 AM
 
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Obviously, all of your posts are guesses. You missed that one, too.
Russia is dying in place. That's why they are squirming, trying to get sanctions reversed.
Russia is going to be destroyed. The Russia of the future will be unable to field an army or maintain a navy.


("Brilliant Putin". What a HOOT!)
Guesses? No, your post are guesses based on neocon nonsense. Reality in Europe is much, much different. As someone whose got a plethora of family in Europe, specifically Eastern Europe, your post is factually false.

Russia is a dying place? LOL, have you seen Western Europe and America? Talk about a soulless, child less, culture less and dying place.

Again, you keep ignoring the historic economic depression that is about to hit Europe and the United States.

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/pu...rency-collapse

You are also ignoring BRICS and other economic alliances forming on the global stage. Majority of the world isn’t on board with sanctions, just to clue you in on a little known fact that western liberal propaganda hasn’t told you. Janet Yellen was so stupid she thought she could put a price cap on Russian oil. What does Putin do? Said this wasn’t a free market act and halted everything going to Europe.

Ruble is killing it while the Euro is garbage.

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2022/06/23/...sanctions.html

https://nypost.com/2022/04/11/russia...sanctions/amp/

“Brilliant western leaders,” they are a hoot right? Stupid, belligerent and bit off more than they can chew. This isn’t Iraq, western liberal fruit cakes are not going to bully Russia. Again, the majority of the world isn’t on board with demented pedophile in the White House.
 
Old 09-06-2022, 09:01 AM
 
Location: OH->FL->NJ
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Originally Posted by itwasallyellow View Post
LOL! Let me guess, you also believe in the ghost of Kiev?

All your points are false and based on misinformation. Putin never thought the war would be over in days, in fact, his strategy at the moment is brilliant as the west is destroying itself economically and the longer this plays out, the more money Russia will make with trade. Let me bring you up to speed with reality, the west doesn’t produce anything and Russia is an economic power house due to the sanctions.

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/pu...rency-collapse

Play with fire, get burned by fire. Unlike Venezuela, Russia isn’t going to be bullied by the United Empire of Earth. If history taught us one thing, westerners can’t crack the Russian front, even though they’ve been trying to steal its resources forever.
Pot meet kettle.

Western press accounts are far too optimistic about Ukraine's capabilities... It does look like Ukraine will take the western side of the river and Kherson soonISH... Perhaps a month. Supply will win this one for the Ukrainians. Otherwise this is looking more and more like a stalemate. Russia will turn to the East, slowly becoming a satellite of China who is the real #2.

The rest of Europe should be cutting Russia off, including their tourists. Russia is a petro state and cannot be turned into North Korea. Oil and gas have value. Fuel supplies will change routes as Russia focuses on China and India and the former suppliers of China and India look to Europe as a replacement customer.

Europe is going to learn a hard lesson about going green (cutting fossil fuel supply) without building green alternatives.

The quoted post is far too optimistic for the Russian side and reads as Russian propaganda. I guess showing the Russian view can be enlightening as to their thought process. Thanks for the laugh tho. Russia is a powerhouse. LOL. Russia has an economy smaller than Italy. Guess Italy is a new superpower. In the longer run, Russia will retool supplies of things like microprocessors etc from the East. Russia will decrease but the bottom wont be zero. Fossil fuels have value and Russia has a HUGE supply.
 
Old 09-06-2022, 09:04 AM
 
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Is Europe the largest example of: "Get Woke, Go Broke"?
 
Old 09-06-2022, 09:17 AM
 
Location: NYC
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Originally Posted by ottomobeale View Post
Pot meet kettle.

Western press accounts are far too optimistic about Ukraine's capabilities... It does look like Ukraine will take the western side of the river and Kherson soonISH... Perhaps a month. Supply will win this one for the Ukrainians. Otherwise this is looking more and more like a stalemate. Russia will turn to the East, slowly becoming a satellite of China who is the real #2.

The rest of Europe should be cutting Russia off, including their tourists. Russia is a petro state and cannot be turned into North Korea. Oil and gas have value. Fuel supplies will change routes as Russia focuses on China and India and the former suppliers of China and India look to Europe as a replacement customer.

Europe is going to learn a hard lesson about going green (cutting fossil fuel supply) without building green alternatives.

The quoted post is far too optimistic for the Russian side and reads as Russian propaganda. I guess showing the Russian view can be enlightening as to their thought process. Thanks for the laugh tho. Russia is a powerhouse. LOL. Russia has an economy smaller than Italy. Guess Italy is a new superpower. In the longer run, Russia will retool supplies of things like microprocessors etc from the East. Russia will decrease but the bottom wont be zero. Fossil fuels have value and Russia has a HUGE supply.
It will take Russia at least a decade to build the pipelines to send their gas to Asia. In the meantime, Russia isn't going to make any money from all the gas they can't sell. The US really isn't going to suffer that much except higher prices at the pump. Europe and Russia will both lose.
 
Old 09-06-2022, 09:18 AM
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From a UK perspective, the following should be noted -

* Gas only forms part of the energy mix in most countries.

* Europe has significant shale gas fields, which it could extract using fracking, as do European allies.

* Many EU countries are planning to do away with gas boilers and gas appliances within the forseeable future, including the UK.

* There has been a lot of investment in alternative energy sources, as well as nuclear in some countries including the UK.

* There are traditional gas fields in Europe, including North Sea Gas, as well as pipelines such as the UK/Norway pipeline.

* There are large LNG Ports such as Grain Island in the UK, and there is also gas storage, whilst Russia only ever produced 3% of UK Gas, and 4% of UK Oil.

* There are still reserve fossil fuel power stations that can temporarily brought back on line, over the winter, whilst new energy sources and new infrastructure increasingly replaces Russian energy supplies.

* The likely outcome will be to announce energy price caps, which are to be announced in the UK later this week, this will help control prices and inflation rates, and see less profits going to large energy companies, many of whom are currently making excessive profits.

* The move away from Russian energy resources will become ever more permanent, as suppliers change, energy mixes change and fossil fuels are replaced.

As for the Russian Military, it's outdated, with poor tactics, and whilst it may have 900,000 soldiers, Ukraine has an increasingly armed population of over 40 million.
 
Old 09-06-2022, 09:35 AM
 
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It will take Russia at least a decade to build the pipelines to send their gas to Asia. In the meantime, Russia isn't going to make any money from all the gas they can't sell. The US really isn't going to suffer that much except higher prices at the pump. Europe and Russia will both lose.
Here's an article touting the beginning of a new pipeline, Russia to China. Construction, they say, will begin in 2024. They may, indeed, begin a new pipeline, but I doubt it. I don't think they will be able to, financially.



Proximity counts when providing such things as gas. Russia had all the infrastructure needed to provide their customer, Europe, with gas virtually forever. But now (again) they have demonstrated their willingness to use delivery of fuel and food as a weapon.
It would take a very foolish country to ever go into business with Russians.
Russia continues to burn off gas instead of sell it. This whole Ukraine invasion was the height of stupidity. Instead of having an economy which was working well, they have chosen to isolate themselves, destroy their economy and arrange for 10's of thousands of their citizens to be killed.


Because of brain drain caused by thousands of educated Russians leaving the country, population decline caused by low fertility rate, and an economy that is destroyed, Russia will never be able to build LNG export facilities beyond what exists now.
So the gas in Siberia will forever remain in Siberia.
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