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Old 09-05-2022, 12:55 PM
 
Location: Was Midvalley Oregon; Now Eastside Seattle area
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JMO,
100 years, +/- .
May be too late.
May be too early.
You won't know until disaster happens to you or your wealth.
YCMV
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Old 09-05-2022, 03:16 PM
 
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Good luck in the next one..

Everything I have ever read says don't try heating the house with the gas range. Be sure the batteries in the detectors are good.
We've heated the house with the old stove and this one for decades. We don't leave it on at night, and jeep an eye on it. And, at our age, any effects from indoor pollution are not going to make a difference.
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Old 09-05-2022, 05:27 PM
 
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If arctic glaciers melt, we lose a few barrier islands and a few bay-front cities will need sea walls.

If arctic permafrost melts, enough frozen methane could be released to end most life on Earth within 500 years or so.

If fact the current emergency is the occurrence of droughts worldwide. There are droughts in the western U.S., in western Europe, in Brazil, in India, in China, and in Africa.

The flash floods that are occurring, at least in the U.S., are just seasonal storm rains whereby hurricanes didn't form but air full of water came ashore and traveled inland.

Oh, the floods in Pakistan are caused by melting glaciers in the Himalayas
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Old 09-05-2022, 07:35 PM
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"CO2 causes global warming"

And exactly how much has it warmed?

"The surface temperature of the Earth tends to go up rapidly and then settle down again in cycles of roughly 100,000 years as shown above in this UN Environment Programme (UNEP) chart. The blue line traces the temperature differences (in degrees Celsius) over the last 420,000 years compared to the present time, defined as the year 1950."

"This last 10,000 years (see vertical red line drawn on the population chart above), called the Holocene Epoch, has been one of interglaciation where temperatures, compared to the prior 410,000 years, have been remarkably stable. Throughout the Holocene, according to UNEP, "based on the incomplete evidence available, it is unlikely that global mean temperatures have varied by more than 1°C [2°F] in a century."

"2. Milankovitch Theory of Earth's Temperature Changes

Building on the work of other scientists who had observed that the Earth's orbit around the Sun was irregular in three particular aspects, Milankovitch created a model to show how the amount of sunlight (solar radiation) reaching the Earth varied according to the interaction of the cycles of these three irregularities, which are described below:
1. Eccentricity: In a cycle of roughly 100,000 years, the shape of the Earth's orbit around the Sun varies from an almost perfect circle to a slightly more elliptical shape, with the Sun nearer one end (rather than in the middle), and then back to a more circular shape.
2. Obliquity: In a cycle of about 40,000 years, the tilt of the Earth's axis relative to the plane of its orbit around the Sun varies from 22.1 degrees to 24.5 degrees and back.
3. Precession: In a cycle of a little over 20,000 years, the point of the Earth's axis wobbles so that the north axis points now to Polaris (the North Star) but will eventually point to Vega before returning to Polaris."

https://owlcation.com/stem/Earths-Te...-Recent-Change
The one thing anyone needs to understand is that temperature cycles on planet earth far exceed civilized man's memory and possibly even homo sapiens time on earth, so they are very poorly understood.
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Old 09-05-2022, 07:50 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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how about cutting the balls off men in india, africa, china and other over populated countries for a start. help with the wokesness and solves lots of other issues.
In the US we are aborting our unborn, and convincing our youngest generations that they are either homosexuals, or that they need to take puberty blockers and remove their genitals, and we let violent criminals back out on the streets to murder. So it's obvious that the US is definitely trying to their part to reduce the population.
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Old 09-06-2022, 06:14 AM
 
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It is true that CO2 in the atmosphere can result in a higher temperature for the amount of solar radiation that penetrates the atmosphere, strikes the ground, warms it up... after which the warmer patches of ground, warm up the air above them in turn.

But... it is also true that an atmosphere with more CO2 gas in it, reflects a larger part of the incoming solar radiation back out into space, and prevents it from penetrating the atmosphere. And so, less radiation strikes the ground to warm it up, and then warm up the air above the ground.

Which factor dominates the atmosphere of Earth today?

As someone recently muttered, "Education is a wonderful thing". But only if you use it and think about what it tells you.
"CO2 causes global warming"

And exactly how much has it warmed?"

You did NOT answer the question.
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Old 09-06-2022, 06:21 AM
 
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If arctic glaciers melt, we lose a few barrier islands and a few bay-front cities will need sea walls.

If arctic permafrost melts, enough frozen methane could be released to end most life on Earth within 500 years or so.

If fact the current emergency is the occurrence of droughts worldwide. There are droughts in the western U.S., in western Europe, in Brazil, in India, in China, and in Africa.

The flash floods that are occurring, at least in the U.S., are just seasonal storm rains whereby hurricanes didn't form but air full of water came ashore and traveled inland.

Oh, the floods in Pakistan are caused by melting glaciers in the Himalayas
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It's happened before and will happen again. And man can't do a damned thing about it!
The "Ice Age"

"The Dust Bowl was a period of severe dust storms that greatly damaged the ecology and agriculture of the American and Canadian prairies during the 1930s; severe drought and a failure to apply dryland farming methods to prevent the aeolian processes (wind erosion) caused the phenomenon.[1][2] The drought came in three waves: 1934, 1936, and 1939–1940, but some regions of the High Plains experienced drought conditions for as many as eight years.[3]"
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Old 09-06-2022, 06:48 AM
 
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"CO2 causes global warming"

And exactly how much has it warmed?"

You did NOT answer the question.
1 degree C......in almost a century and a half......142 years

....all this hysterical BS is about 1C

and half of that was recovering from the Little Ice Age

and....to top it all off.....we are technically still in an ice age
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Old 09-06-2022, 06:56 AM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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1 degree C......in almost a century and a half......142 years

....all this hysterical BS is about 1C

and half of that was recovering from the Little Ice Age

and....to top it all off.....we are technically still in an ice age
The left isn't about to let these common sense facts from the past few posts get in their way.
These people are convinced that they can fix the weather.
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Old 09-06-2022, 07:42 AM
 
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1 degree C......in almost a century and a half......142 years

....all this hysterical BS is about 1C

and half of that was recovering from the Little Ice Age

and....to top it all off.....we are technically still in an ice age
That 1 degree C is an average. The extremes are larger than that. There's no doubt that the Earth is warming, and weather extremes are getting larger. I question whether we can do much about it given the hysteria on both sides.

As to why seemingly small changes matter, here's some background https://climate.nasa.gov/news/2865/a...atures-matter/

What happens when sea level rises several feet once ice caps melt?
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