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Old 09-05-2022, 08:11 PM
 
Location: Oklahoma
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Labor is work. Unions are not labor.

Unions are an abomination that have become the primary means for the unemployable to obtain employment.

Looks how difficult it is to fire bad cops and groomer elementary teachers.

Unions may have been a good idea at one point (before we had labor laws), but they are a cancer today.
Sounds like you are an advocate of "Right to work for less" laws.
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Old 09-06-2022, 05:04 AM
 
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I was a Teamster with UPS in the 70s. We made enough to afford the dues.
"I was a Teamster with UPS in the 70s."

AH, the hypocrite Teamsters.

We went on strike in the 70's and our union brethren CROSSED our picket line.

So much for "supporting all members of the AFL-CIO brotherhood"!
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Old 09-06-2022, 05:14 AM
 
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LOLz are you scolding me? For what? I am only stating the obvious. But since you seem to be scolding me, I will play along.

The previous rich people, who the current selection have coddled up too. Its mostly all inherited, whether it be socio-economic status or assets. Which can then be parlayed into greater amounts.

Nah, rich people nowadays are committing suicide once they make a mistake. See below.

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/09/04/bed-...pany-says.html

Give me an example of a second chance within the last generation.

Or they do something sleezy and borderline illegal, or at best, something morally questionable. Examples, respectively, include Bernie Madoff and his ponzi scheme, or Zuckerberg stealing the idea, then getting his vampire squid uncle to do the rest.

Also our policies are out of whack for the longest time especially in the financial sector. That is thanks to those in the financial industry influencing our politicians into giving them out of whack advantages over everyone else.



If there is a true meritocracy, then no bailouts for the banks back in late 2000s. Everyone gets prosecuted, no leniency. You made a bad bet, you lose, whether it be your job or your house or your reputation, or your freedom

What we have now is socialism for the rich, and dog eat dog for everyone else. The GFC bailouts is proof of that.
"LOLz are you scolding me?"


Only if you have a guilty conscience!

Sorry, you lost any credibility you MIGHT have had with me by using cnbc as your "trusted "source'!

MAD magazine has MORE credibility!
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Old 09-06-2022, 05:20 AM
 
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Bingo! Pride in work = character. Working hard = character.
"The democrats grew more and more in power because they knew giving away other money to those who had there hand out got them votes."

And "If you rob Paul to pay Peter AND David, Peter AND David will vote for you EVERY TIME"!
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Old 09-06-2022, 05:22 AM
 
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Don't generalize. Some unions rejected black workers, but not all.


"During the 1930s, as working conditions in the industry worsened and after protective labor legislation was enacted and put in place by the Roosevelt administration, black garment workers joined the ILGWU (International Ladies’ Garment Workers Union). There they were exposed to ideas that helped shape their worldview and their sense of themselves as workers and persons worthy of full citizenship.

The worldview black garment workers developed and the skills they honed in the ILGWU were not locked in place, but were transportable. Radicalized by the labor struggles of the 1930s and the ideas they were exposed to, black garment workers in New York took the skills they developed in the ILGWU into the burgeoning civil rights movement of the 1940s and 1950s."



https://www.gothamcenter.org/blog/in...-new-york-city
"Don't generalize. Some unions rejected black workers, but not all."


MANY of my union brothers were black!
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Old 09-06-2022, 06:16 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Doesn't seem things are as bad as the OP laments. True, the dependent class (dependent on public assistance programs) has increased in size, no doubt due to allowing millions and millions of destitute illegal aliens from third world countries to flood across the border with little to no push back and absolutely NO DoD defense of our national border whatsoever, BUT... the percentage of Americans who have worked their way into the upper class has increased by 50% over the last 50 years. Many of those who have made the effort to move up the socioeconomic ladder have been able to do so. That's worth celebrating!

Chart: Share of US Adults in Each Class, 1971 and 2021 - Pew Research

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Old 09-06-2022, 07:19 AM
 
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Doesn't seem things are as bad as the OP laments. True, the dependent class (dependent on public assistance programs) has increased in size, no doubt due to allowing millions and millions of destitute illegal aliens from third world countries to flood across the border with little to no push back and absolutely NO DoD defense of our national border whatsoever, BUT... the percentage of Americans who have worked their way into the upper class has increased by 50% over the last 50 years. Many of those who have made the effort to move up the socioeconomic ladder have been able to do so. That's worth celebrating!

Chart: Share of US Adults in Each Class, 1971 and 2021 - Pew Research
There are laws regarding what the DOD can do within the USA borders. Pretty much the same as the guard.

I wish we could have an armed marine every 50 feet all along the Mexico border who can shoot at will. But it's forbidden by law.
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Old 09-06-2022, 07:34 AM
 
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There are laws regarding what the DOD can do within the USA borders. Pretty much the same as the guard.

I wish we could have an armed marine every 50 feet all along the Mexico border who can shoot at will. But it's forbidden by law.
Since when can't the DoD fend off foreign invasions? Explain that in detail. They don't have to shoot anyone, just stop them from entering the US. Every other country in the world manages to control their borders, why can't we?
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Old 09-06-2022, 07:46 AM
 
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I was raised with a strong work ethic, that's gone for the most part.
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Old 09-06-2022, 07:57 AM
 
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I was raised with a strong work ethic, that's gone for the most part.
I never know quite what to think when people say that. Why do you believe that things are so different today than in that mythical past when there were apparently no slackers?
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