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Old 09-11-2022, 09:58 AM
 
Location: Metro Detroit, Michigan
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Democrats are justified in their cause always. When republicans do the exact same thing that democrats are justified in doing they are evil and wrong because their opinions are evil and wrong. Democrats always have the moral high ground so it’s fine.

Democrats wouldn't know what to do with a moral high ground if they ever stumbled upon on... Which they never will.

 
Old 09-11-2022, 10:04 AM
 
Location: West Virginia
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Peter Doocy should bring up all these videos from November 2016 and ask the Biden administration if those people are considered extremist threats to democracy.
He brought it up the other day. Well he brought up the fact the WH press secretary herself had tweets saying the election was stolen and whatever.
 
Old 09-11-2022, 10:13 AM
 
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"not my president" on day one
There have always been some people, from either party which lost, to express such sentiments as these.

Yet in every case the candidate conceded with the intent to reinforce democracy. The candidate did not seek to exploit those sentiments nor inflame them but worked to tamp them down.

In fact, she said this:
"Our constitutional democracy enshrines the peaceful transfer of power and we don’t just respect that, we cherish it."

There is nothing comparable here to the attempted overthrow of our democracy by Donald Trump and his supporters.
 
Old 09-11-2022, 10:15 AM
 
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What I don't understand is that both sides pointed out that our elections could use some tightening up and no one seems to want to do that.

They would rather suggest that anyone who questions it is "extreme"

That suggests to me that they like it this way, and if they like it this way, it is because it benefits them.

Majorly suspicious.
'tightening up' -- not sure what that means?

I don't remember either party truly questioning the overall integrity of our electoral process until 2020.

Did I miss something.
 
Old 09-11-2022, 10:27 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Hesychios View Post
There have always been some people, from either party which lost, to express such sentiments as these.

Yet in every case the candidate conceded with the intent to reinforce democracy. The candidate did not seek to exploit those sentiments nor inflame them but worked to tamp them down.

In fact, she said this:
"Our constitutional democracy enshrines the peaceful transfer of power and we don’t just respect that, we cherish it."

There is nothing comparable here to the attempted overthrow of our democracy by Donald Trump and his supporters.

Do you really think 800 idiots could overthrow our democracy?
 
Old 09-11-2022, 10:29 AM
 
Location: deafened by howls of 'racism!!!'
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Peter Doocy should bring up all these videos from November 2016 and ask the Biden administration if those people are considered extremist threats to democracy.
https://www.city-data.com/forum/poli...on-denial.html

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Originally Posted by Arya Stark View Post
What I don't understand is that both sides pointed out that our elections could use some tightening up and no one seems to want to do that.

They would rather suggest that anyone who questions it is "extreme"

That suggests to me that they like it this way, and if they like it this way, it is because it benefits them.

Majorly suspicious.
only one side did that
 
Old 09-11-2022, 10:53 AM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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"not my president" on day one


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUBGGQXsIvI
Yeah, ironic isn't it. I cannot remember ANY presidential election where the Democrats accepted the election results. They always claimed the reason they did not win was because the election "was stolen."

Now suddenly the Democrats want to pretend they have always accepted election results, a flat out lie. They also want to pretend that they never riot, even though the dems have been rioting, burning and looting for decades. The Republicans rioted ONCE, on Jan 6th, never before or since.
 
Old 09-11-2022, 11:12 AM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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'tightening up' -- not sure what that means?

I don't remember either party truly questioning the overall integrity of our electoral process until 2020.

Did I miss something.
Yes you did. In 2020, using COVID as the excuse, many states unlawfully violated their own state election laws. They unlawfully bypassed their own state legislators, or violated their own state constitution. State governors, judges and unelected election boards, unlawfully changed the process for how citizens voted, the way ballots were collected, the way signatures were verified, the way voter identities were verified, and altered the manner in which they counted ballots.

When the voting process is changed just days or weeks before and election matters. Adding drop boxes added doubt to the validity of those dropped off ballots, because the boxes lacked controls and protections to ensure they were secure from tampering, and they did not have a mechanism to ensure a verifiable chain of custody.

Don't get upset at people when they correctly complain that their state election laws were not being followed.

States Didn’t Follow Their Own Laws In 2020
 
Old 09-11-2022, 11:25 AM
 
Location: Beautiful NNJ
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Yes you did. In 2020, using COVID as the excuse, many states unlawfully violated their own state election laws. They unlawfully bypassed their own state legislators, or violated their own state constitution. State governors, judges and unelected election boards, unlawfully changed the process for how citizens voted, the way ballots were collected, the way signatures were verified, the way voter identities were verified, and altered the manner in which they counted ballots.

When the voting process is changed just days or weeks before and election matters. Adding drop boxes added doubt to the validity of those dropped off ballots, because the boxes lacked controls and protections to ensure they were secure from tampering, and they did not have a mechanism to ensure a verifiable chain of custody.

Don't get upset at people when they correctly complain that their state election laws were not being followed.

States Didn’t Follow Their Own Laws In 2020
The pandemic was an extraordinary set of circumstances that required measures be taken to facilitate voting without creating additional risk for citizens. How that was done varied according to each state's administration's response.

If the election process needs "tightening up" what about passing a national set of voting standards? Voting shouldn't *have* to be changed to accommodate distance voting, it should be a standard available to everyone, everywhere, via easily understood processes that don't vary from place to place. Let's put in place a national set of rules robust enough to handle pandemics, wildfires, citizen movements, etc.

Like, say, something like the Voting Rights Act? Voting is so very fundamental to US citizens that there is no reason the rules surrounding it should vary from state to state and be subject to the whims of whatever political party has power at the local level.
 
Old 09-11-2022, 11:29 AM
 
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what if........... it was really crooked, wouldn't you least want to know the truth, no matter who won.
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