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NO! SCOTUS said a woman's right to an abortion is not guaranteed in the constitution. They said nothing about it being a state's issue. The state's issue was Republican spin until they realized that voters deciding the issue would not vote the way they thought. Now, they are backing a national abortion ban.
The Fed is free to pass whatever they want and then, eventually, it may get to the SCOTUS to decide whether the Fed has such authority. If it is an abortion ban, I am certain that the current court would find that it does. If it allows abortion, then it is less likely. Such is the nature of the politically and religiously influenced supreme court we have.
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Originally Posted by Blondy
What do you think Kavanaugh meant when he said in his Dobb's opinion that it is an issue to be decided by the peoples' elected representatives in state OR federal govt?
I still have not managed to find the time to read the Dobbs decision or its concurrences, but without reading Kavanaugh's reasoning in his concurrence, I would have to respectfully disagree that abortion can be either permitted or prohibited on a federal basis. Congress can only legislate regarding matters that relate to its enumerated powers. This fact has nothing to do with the Dobbs decision. I can see some trying to shoehorn the issue into the Commerce Clause, but I think that is a stretch even for that often overused enumerated power.
Pence is a deeply religious man so of course Abortion in his mind should be outright banned. He is only suggesting that the next Republican President should ban it but short of an EO that will be challenged in every state the President does not have that power.
I don't understand why the Reps are making a stand on this issue. It seems that as we all move away from religion that the Reps are catering to a minority of voters when they charge against Abortion. What about the majority of us that believe in Conservative principles and America that also view Abortion with limits as a fundamental Right?
We all know that the Democrats are full on board with the Loony Far Left extreme but the Reps should center themselves and be the Moderates that so many of us could identify with.
This hard stance on Abortion is scaring away independent female voters.
Correction, They will say they will ban abortion nationally. Just like the Trump Justices did. They said what the believed about Settled Law. Then they did the opposite of what they said. In other words they lied to get the job. They will lie and grin till you vote them in.
Pence: Next GOP President Will Ban Abortion Nationally
Sadly, Pence's comment is representative of the Republican Party, which has been at the forefront of a very vocal and well documented effort to deny women personal agency and intrude on a woman's most intimate health-care decisions.
The GOP owns Dobbs and its overturn of Roe.
Pence's statement--- just as Senators' Graham, Rubio & Daines' transparent scheme, which if passed, would amount to a federal ban---is the GOP position. Look, the Republican Party's plans to pass a national abortion ban are not new. They’ve been calling for a total abortion ban for years.
GOP senatorial legislators have introduced a national abortion ban at least five times before. As recent as January 2021, 45 Senate Republicans joined in support of banning abortion nationwide. More than 80 House Republicans, last week, cosponsored an extreme and dangerous bill just as "see through" as the recent Graham bill.
Banning abortion in every state is the GOP party line. Here in the 2022 election cycle their disagreement is not on their position of abortion, but rather should they talk about their party's position.
Most abortions are now banned in at least 14 states as laws restricting the procedure took effect, almost immediately, following the Dobbs decision where Roe was overturned. Then we have those banning abortion at six weeks of pregnancy, such as Georgia, before many women know they are pregnant. Did you know that Oklahoma bans abortion at the point of fertilization? Think. That's legislators dictating the contraceptive choices of women.
Just last week, West Virginia’s governor signed a bill banning nearly all abortions. The ban takes effect immediately.
Indiana's ban on nearly all abortions took effect about 10 days ago. It was the first state to draft and pass a full ban on abortion after Roe v. Wade was overturned in June.
In Ohio, in the last 2 weeks a county judge temporarily blocked Ohio’s ban on abortion after six weeks of pregnancy.
In many states the fight over abortion access is still taking place in courtrooms, where those who believe in a woman's right to bodily autonomy have sued to block enforcement of laws that subjugate women.
For detailed information on how Republican legislatures argued against women and their reproductive freedoms, before enacting their bans, just google the state and you will want to cry at some of the remarks and statements and ideas, let alone the actual criminalization and punishment in the laws now in place against women and healthcare providers.
I am working with a small grassroots woman's advocacy group, in Pennsylvania, and this is the list I recently compiled for our understanding. Things are changing rapidly, though, so it becomes outdated almost as fast as the individual Republican state lawmakers' race to outdo one another in their political run to embrace their party's movement. A movement which is cruelly indifferent to the women of this country.
Abortion is banned with no exception for rape or incest: Alabama, Arkansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Missouri, Tennessee, South Dakota, Texas, Oklahoma. Mississipi: abortion is banned with exceptions for rape, but not incest( yep you read that correctly)
Abortions are indeed banned, but have a pending court action, or suit or stay on a piece of the law: (In Idaho that means a judge has blocked the punishment of doctors who provide abortions to protect a woman's health ): Idaho, Indiana, Iowa, Arizona, North Dakota, Michigan, Montana, Ohio, South Carolina, Wyoming. Wisconsin: This state has a law from before Roe that makes performing the procedure a felony; remember no provision for rape or incest: The Democratic governor and attorney general have filed a lawsuit in an attempt to block that law.
Banned with strict gestational limits: Georgia, Florida, Utah, North Carolina.
Make no mistake. Pence is just revealing the GOP plan.
Earlier this year, Pennsylvania GOP Congressman Mike Kelly introduced federal legislation that would ban abortion before many women even know they are pregnant — with 123 House Republicans signing on as cosponsors.
166 House Republicans last year backed West Virginia GOP Congressman Alex Mooney’s extreme fetal personhood law, which could lay the groundwork to ban some forms of contraceptives.
And it goes on and on. Let’s be perfectly clear: If Republicans take control, they will vote to pass a national abortion ban. This is the GOP’s radical agenda. Pence told us so!
Crazy convoluted confusing & cruel statutes and proposals are running rampant across the USA. This belongs to the GOP, no denying it.
Reproductive rights are fundamental human rights, necessary for the dignity, equality, health, and well-being of women and their families. There is only one political party in this nation that desires to subjugate women by stripping their human rights, and it is the GOP.
Don't be distracted.
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Reason: clarity & bolding and spelling & punctuation corrections
Republicans would win in a landslide if they would all stop talking about abortion and a national ban. We all know Lindsey Graham is a RINO (aligns more with Dems / warmonger these days) and Pence is aligning with the ultra religious wing.
WTH are they thinking? A national ban? That's going to push moderates to reconsider voting for the dems.
That's it. Between Graham and Pence, it is clear that they are traitors to the GOP.
They know that the Dems would easily lose, but they are setting fires so that Trump or DeSantis loses.
Wonder how much they're getting for doing this. I hope it bites them in the ass, extremely hard, no recovery possible.
Are you suggesting that Graham and Pence aren't articulating the position that the GOP has taken for years regarding abortion? Or is your main beef that they tipped their hand before people voted, so the GOP wasn't able to dupe the electorate into believing they wouldn't ban abortion when they got the chance?
That's it. Between Graham and Pence, it is clear that they are traitors to the GOP.
They know that the Dems would easily lose, but they are setting fires so that Trump or DeSantis loses.
Wonder how much they're getting for doing this. I hope it bites them in the ass, extremely hard, no recovery possible.
Why is it so hard to believe that this is a core belief for him. Something he can’t in good conscience deny.
It’s not always a conspiracy.
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