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So you don't have a problem if your team declares the election illegitimate or stolen or takes it to court. Your problem is if the other team does it and the number? Got it! Crystal clear.
Meh, I was on Team Trump when he started doing it. No problem with candidates having their day in court. No longer on Team Trump after court cases that had some semblance of legitimacy turned into nonsense, followed by an attempt to stop the peaceful transfer of power. Especially since he is still at it and plans to ramp it up again over upcoming elections that haven't even happened yet.
Huge difference between that and people talking metaphorically about certain events that caused them to lose an election when usually they are just whining sore losers.
So 2016 election was legit and Trump was the legitimate President? the 2018 GA elections was legit also? Just checking.......
Yeah. Hillary conceded as soon as it was obvious she lost. if the state of Georgia declared 2018 was a legal election, then it was. We citizens gave our officials that authority, and no one can take it away from them legally.
The 2016 electoral college votes were counted and verified by the Senate, making the 2016 election results official.
The same laws that have verified and made Trump and every other President before him the legally recognized President of the United States for the following 4 years.
Did the Democrats like the loss?
No.
But every legal candidate can request a recount under our laws, and one was requested.
When the results were returned, Hillary, her party, and her voters accepted the loss.
Fraud simply wasn't found, even if it was suspected.
And they never attempted to change the election by force afterward.
Someone will win and someone will lose in every single election we hold, but as long as our democracy holds, the loser can still try again the next time freely, and with no need of coercion, charges of fraud, or threat of force to be eligible or to win.
Are we still a law-abiding people who believe in right and wrong?
Or are we a lawless mob, set to do a dictator's business?
Best think carefully, Star. Make the wrong choice and your freedom of choice will be the first thing you'll lose.
This has been my biggest concern regarding the 2020 election results denial - it opens the floodgates for wide scale disruption. Questioning results before there even are any. Which is, of course, what Trump did. He set the table to prime his base before the 2020 election even happened. These folks have to understand they may not be elected for the simple reason that the voters that turn out may prefer someone else.
Will those who win change their minds or stick to their conviction that the results were rigged?
You sure it was Trump?
"should not concede UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES"
-hILLARY
Yeah. Hillary conceded as soon as it was obvious she lost. if the state of Georgia declared 2018 was a legal election, then it was. We citizens gave our officials that authority, and no one can take it away from them legally.
How can you honestly concede when you call the election stolen and illegitimate for years after the election? It seems she was forced to concede by Obama but days later changed her mind and called it stolen. That's not a true conceding. It's worse, she was forced to say something she and many Democrats didn't believe.
We are supposed to challenge power and for you to say nobody can question it or challenge authority and shut up is scary
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Did the Democrats like the loss?
No.
But every legal candidate can request a recount under our laws, and one was requested.
When the results were returned, Hillary, her party, and her voters accepted the loss.
Fraud simply wasn't found, even if it was suspected.
And they never attempted to change the election by force afterward.
That is a lie. Hillary and many Democrats didn't accept the lost. She and many Democrats called it stolen and called President Trump illegitimate and put doubt to the office and pushed the Russian hoax everyday. They wanted Mueller to find Trump guilty to force him out.
For you to ignore that part of history says a lot about you when you lecture about Trump.
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Best think carefully, Star. Make the wrong choice and your freedom of choice will be the first thing you'll lose.
You mean like freedom of choice of taking a drug in your body or not and not being shamed by the government pushing the drug with lies? We have passed that bridge already and it wasn't Trump. It's the government you voted for and pretend otherwise.
Meh, I was on Team Trump when he started doing it. No problem with candidates having their day in court. No longer on Team Trump after court cases that had some semblance of legitimacy turned into nonsense, followed by an attempt to stop the peaceful transfer of power. Especially since he is still at it and plans to ramp it up again over upcoming elections that haven't even happened yet.
Huge difference between that and people talking metaphorically about certain events that caused them to lose an election when usually they are just whining sore losers.
So you rather have Trump and Republicans call Biden illegitimate and the election stolen for years, push a hoax and a investigation on a lie to force him out of power and cost the taxpayers millions of dollars and call the voting I.D. laws Jim Crow on steroids so when they lose they have a reason. That's more honorable, LOL.
Like I said, you don't have a problem in putting doubt in the system with lies and damaging the institution as long that your team does it and the other team doesn't.
What about talk of impeaching someone before they even take office? How does that sit with you?
Are we talking about Laura “Wonton Killing” Boebert now? She was yelling about it right after the election in 2020, and introduced legislation on 9/24/2021.
Trying to move 15k-20k votes in a state/national election isn't so easy.
However, it can be done esp. if ballot harvesting is allowed and voter id requirements loosened. Go into areas which don't have a history of high voter turnout and offer to pay people for their ballot.
Probably cheaper to buy 15k ballots than spend millions on advertising. This way you can be sure the 15k votes are going the way you want.
Sadly I suspect this is where the country is headed if we're not careful.
Except that is not even close to what happened in 2020.
Will the NYT call out the Democrats for questioning the elections when they lose? I think not.
When did the NYT called out Hillary, Abrams and many Democrats for questioning the elections when they lost? Hypocrisy is not a virtue.
None of those continued to question the election a year and a half after their opponent was sworn into office, nor did they call up their supporters to stage a violent and bloody insurrection in a coup attempt.
She (Hillary)? by calling the process illegitimate? LMAO! Did Abrams conceded?
They didn't go to court and file 62 lawsuits and call around to Secretaries of State to find votes or hire partisan groups to investigate elections or host a stop-teh-steal rally on the day of the vote certification. They also never had any senators support house members questioning the results but there was Cruz and Hawley asking for a voter commission to delay the certification.
The fact remains that Clinton conceded the election and there was a peaceful transfer of power, Trump didn't even allow the transition team access.
Trump fought against Jill Steins lawsuit for a recount in Wisconsin, but of course he would since he won that state. Yet here he was forcing recounts in every swing state he lost in 2020, talk about hypocrisy.
Except that is not even close to what happened in 2020.
I wasn't suggesting it did. However, if this country isn't careful that's exactly where we're headed. If ballot harvesting is allowed and voting restrictions are loosen it won't be long before a gift certificate is offered in exchange for a ballot.
Three million dollars would be much better spent targeting areas which don't have a high voter turnout and offering a $100 -$150 gift certificate to "Help get the Vote Out" rather than doubling up on political advertisements.
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