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You wrote this as if you know absolutely nothing about how elections work, and I find that very surprising.
Elections are always run on the local level. The Federal government does not run elections for the states. It doesn't matter how well (or not) the Federal government runs the US Navy - Army - Air Force, or the Social Security Administration, the IRS or the Interstate Highway System or the TVA or any of that.
Ballots are ballots are ballots. The local governments and their many wonderful volunteers can count millions of ballots in real time on election days with a high degree of accuracy. Most of my Trumpie neighbors insisted on voting ON ELECTION DAY ONLY with that mad crush of voters, and the many county election officials across the country handled it all just fine.
Mail in ballots are actually much easier to handle, they take much of the pressure off the election workers who can concentrate on the effort with accuracy and integrity on a well managed timetable.
Now I suppose that you never volunteered to help on an election, otherwise you would know all this. Now is the time to volunteer, help your community and learn something about the process.
What are you talking about?. I never said elections are federal. I said the government federal and state during the pandemic were very short on staff and overwhelmed and had huge problems carrying the pandemic aid approved by Congress and the states were just sending out checks without verifying out the door. All the application were approved because the state didn't have the manpower to verity and as a result was the biggest fraud in history.
It's the same for the high volume of absent tee ballots. The problem wasn't counting them, the problem was not enough personnel at the state level to verify the ballots or regulations.
My posts went over your head again, it was an odd year for everything in government, state and federal and fraud was higher at all levels.
Russian meddling took many forms. The Senate investigation report on it ran to five volumes.
Besides the hacking of voter systems (supposedly largely unsuccessful) and the hacking of both political party's email servers with strategic releases of information, there was a great deal of misinformation put out through social media. Much of the misinformation in the form of memes, which people are happy to spread around without checking the facts.
So they sucked in a lot of gullible people. It's not really a crime to be so stupid, and it's not actually a crime to lie to stupid people. The right to lie is protected by the first Amendment.
It's sort of a perfect storm.
So we have millions of people placing votes based upon lies they have been told. It's not like that has never happened before, the big difference was the coordinated effort on the part of a foreign government to influence our foreign policy through these votes.
The rest of it was stuff like secret agents infiltrating organizations and foreign money pumped into campaign funds through schills.
It is very difficult to quantify how much damage was done. In some areas just a very few percentage points would be enough.
For instance, when Manafort sent private Republican polling data to Russia for the swing states of Ohio, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin and Minnesota we don't know how the Russians planned to use the information. Most likely they did granular targeting through social media, but we don't know what else they could have done nor how successful they were.
Naturally, Trump himself would be reluctant to admit that he received help from Russia, and Trump supporters would be embarrassed to admit that they had been persuaded by an internet lie program. Thus it is difficult to even have a discussion about it here.
Again the Obama Admin was aware of Russia's meddling but didn't feel it warranted sanctions. And the author of Rigged makes it clear no one (including the IRA) knows if Russian meddling actually cost Clinton the election. It's all speculation.
Yet, despite a lack of definitive evidence the Trump presidency was seen by many as illegitimate from the day he took office. "Not my President" became the Left's rallying cry and many in the MSM.
Yet, despite a lack of definitive evidence the Trump presidency was seen by many as illegitimate from the day he took office. "Not my President" became the Left's rallying cry and many in the MSM.
Sure.
And if the candidate had said she "really won" and that the election was rigged and encouraged people everywhere not to accept the results we could have had turmoil. She didn't do that.
I quoted her elsewhere on this ... directly to you ... and she encouraged her supporters to accept the results and cherish the peaceful transfer of power. Trump didn't do that. He wasn't decent enough.
And if the candidate had said she "really won" and that the election was rigged and encouraged people everywhere not to accept the results we could have had turmoil.She didn't do that.
I quoted her elsewhere on this and she encouraged her supporters to accept the results and cherish the peaceful transfer of power. Trump didn't do that.
THAT is the difference.
The difference is many on the Left and in the MSM did it for her. Which is what "Not my President" was all about. But yes her speech was lovely.
"Not my President" is not something new with Trump. It was quite common during the Obama years as well by those on the right, and even to a point during the Bush years following the invasion of Iraq.
"Not my President" is not something new with Trump. It was quite common during the Obama years as well by those on the right, and even to a point during the Bush years following the invasion of Iraq.
The difference was that under W Bush it was pushed only my the extreme left of the party. Not the establishment of the party. With Trump it was everybody in the party and the msm carried their water.
See, when the anti-war left of the party pushed Pelosi and the moderates to impeach W Bush and Cheney after they got a majority in 2006 when they had the votes , Pelosi and the establishment of the party backed down and threw water on that fire. With Trump, everybody was willing to impeach Trump for the Russian hoax and were waiting on Mueller to bring on the goods but the whole Democrat party were getting ready for the impeachment for the Russian hoax. They were everyday on t.v. with conspiracies and leaking.
The GOP establishment or the leaders in the house or senate NEVER called Obama "illegitimate" or that he stole the election, big difference overall.
"Not my President" is not something new with Trump. It was quite common during the Obama years as well by those on the right, and even to a point during the Bush years following the invasion of Iraq.
Vilifying a presidents actions while in office no doubt has been going on since the days of George Washington.
What happened in 2016 was quite different. Here the Left with help from many in the MSM claimed his victory was tainted. Not legitimate.
In 2000 Bush won under a cloud of uncertainty. Yet, we saw the Left and the MSM settled down a few months after he was sworn in.
But not Trump. They were all in to sack him from day one.
The GOP establishment or the leaders in the house or senate NEVER called Obama "illegitimate" or that he stole the election, big difference overall.
The big difference between those days and today - is that back then there was still a GOP. Anyone who has been paying attention over the last 10 years knows that party is now extinct. Trump effectively destroyed the remaining traditional conservative base of the Republican party when he hijacked it in 2016 for his Presidential campaign.
It is unlikely that the GOP as it existed even as late as 2012 will ever return again. Only the name will remain. A centrist conservative party might emerge again one day, but this is unlikely because Trump or his successor will likely succeed in destroying this once great nation. They have the road map and the propaganda machine to make it happen.
We have to face the reality that our Constitutional Republic is predicated on naive assumptions and weak institutions that may not stand in the face of his unrelenting assault on the rule of law. The Big Lie is the cornerstone of that assault.
The years ahead are going to be "interesting". Most people don't have a clue what is coming.
The difference was that under W Bush it was pushed only my the extreme left of the party. Not the establishment of the party. With Trump it was everybody in the party and the msm carried their water.
See, when the anti-war left of the party pushed Pelosi and the moderates to impeach W Bush and Cheney after they got a majority in 2006 when they had the votes , Pelosi and the establishment of the party backed down and threw water on that fire. With Trump, everybody was willing to impeach Trump for the Russian hoax and were waiting on Mueller to bring on the goods but the whole Democrat party were getting ready for the impeachment for the Russian hoax. They were everyday on t.v. with conspiracies and leaking.
The GOP establishment or the leaders in the house or senate NEVER called Obama "illegitimate" or that he stole the election, big difference overall.
Ignoring the whole 'birther' movement there, aren't ya?
And your boy Trump starting toting *that* water back in 2011.
In 2020, 43% of voters cast ballots by mail and another 26% voted in person before Election Day. In 2016, 21% mailed in their ballots and 19% voted in person prior to Election Day. Absentee ballots are the largest source of potential voter fraud. You had more volume and less government workers.
Yes many states increased mail-in ballots, mostly older and at risk both republican and democrat but there was no massive fraud to support Trump's claims. We have had multiple audits and hand recounts, one of the most scrutinized elections in our history. If someone is still claiming the election was illegitimate it's not based on facts. You can't just say there was massive fraud because mail-in ballots increased during a pandemic. Besides Trump even claimed the 2016 election was rigged, also without any proof, that is why he created a voter fraud commission which died on the vine.
Besides he never contested the down ballot races, was fraud only in the presidential election?
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