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Old 09-24-2022, 03:59 PM
 
Location: So Cal
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I've been in the HVAC biz in various capacities for 33 years now.

From an engineering point of view and basic common sense using heat pumps for heating is just stupid as hell if you have the option to use natural gas for heat.

Stunningly dumb move. Natural gas is way cleaner to use for heat nstead of using electricity.
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Old 09-24-2022, 04:00 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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Is the current board spawn of Jerry Brown or Newsom?
About 50/50.

A few were originally appointed by The Terminator and then reappointed by Moonbeam and/or Greasy Head.
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Old 09-24-2022, 04:21 PM
 
Location: NMB, SC
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I've been in the HVAC biz in various capacities for 33 years now.

From an engineering point of view and basic common sense using heat pumps for heating is just stupid as hell if you have the option to use natural gas for heat.

Stunningly dumb move. Natural gas is way cleaner to use for heat nstead of using electricity.
I think the goal is to get 100% electric and then use wind/solar to generate that electricity.
Since people won't willingly move.....the iron fist of the government comes down.
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Old 09-24-2022, 04:41 PM
 
Location: So Cal
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I think the goal is to get 100% electric and then use wind/solar to generate that electricity.
Since people won't willingly move.....the iron fist of the government comes down.
Wind and solar alone will never ever be enough.

They will force it upon people. Just look at the reluctance to drill here. We're sitting on massive oceans of fossil fuels here.
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Old 09-24-2022, 05:10 PM
 
Location: South of Heaven
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I thought NG was the most environmentally friendly of the fossil fuels. Why would that be a target?
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Old 09-24-2022, 05:12 PM
 
Location: South of Heaven
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I don't understand how they can push all these "get off gas" bills when their own grid is under strains with what they have now.

The 2030 date is a WEF date that Biden promised for the US....we'd be 50% reduced carbon output by 2030...100% reduced output by 2050.

CA is just going along with the global agenda.

Biden campaigned on this. And the people put him in office. This is the Green New Deal.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-...-technologies/
Today, President Biden will announce a new target for the United States to achieve a 50-52 percent reduction from 2005 levels in economy-wide net greenhouse gas pollution in 2030....
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As part of re-entering the Paris Agreement, he also launched a whole-of-government process, organized through his National Climate Task Force, to establish this new 2030 emissions target – known as the “nationally determined contribution” or “NDC,” a formal submission to the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change (UNFCCC).
These deadlines that California is imposing are based on ideology and rhetoric, not science.
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Old 09-24-2022, 05:35 PM
 
Location: Southwestern, USA, now.
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What?
What will be next? Sorry, I'm just a bit in shock by this.
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Old 09-24-2022, 05:59 PM
 
Location: NMB, SC
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These deadlines that California is imposing are based on ideology and rhetoric, not science.
They are based on a bunch of world leaders promising to crater Their countries to save the planet


How stupid does that sound?
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Old 09-24-2022, 06:54 PM
 
Location: West Virginia
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I've been in the HVAC biz in various capacities for 33 years now.

From an engineering point of view and basic common sense using heat pumps for heating is just stupid as hell if you have the option to use natural gas for heat.

Stunningly dumb move. Natural gas is way cleaner to use for heat nstead of using electricity.
Mini splits really shine in regards to cooling. But what makes them great is it is getting cooler in my house tonight, and it reversed to heating from a day it had to cool. The auto feature and internet technology to set various situations and adjust it in you car from anywhere is a game changer. It is also ductless so can be retrofitted almost anywhere. If building new you only need one HVAC guy because that's all it takes.

They are light years ahead of some convoluted forced air gas set up.

If you are handy you can get pre-charged equipment and not need an HVAC guy. It's all win win. Gas isn't cheap around here and using a heat exchange system and a small amount of refrigerant is clever.

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Old 09-24-2022, 06:55 PM
 
Location: Where there is too much snow!
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Well California always has been a leader in STUPIDITY
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