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Old 09-26-2022, 01:26 AM
 
Location: Arizona
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I think our country is just a bunch of idiots re electing these fools in office time and time again. And yes that goes for both parties. Nothing became of all the Benghazi hearings, Hillary's emails and Trump's impeachment. And none of this affects our personal lives. They work for us and need to start doing their jobs.
All of these hearings are nothing more than political theater and just red meat for the base.
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Old 09-26-2022, 07:50 AM
 
Location: Austin
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I remember when Reagan signed The Immigration Reform and Control Act in 1986, granting amnesty to upwards of 3M illegal immigrants who had entered the U.S. before 1982. Fleeing dangerous countries, tyranny, and related is how the U.S. population grew over its entire history; it's how the U.S. got started back in the 1700s.

People crossing the border has occurred over many presidencies, certainly going back 50+ years. No one has solved the problem, and no president has ever been impeached because of illegal immigrants.
Oh don't give me the bleeding heart we're all immigrants or the phony "how the US population grew over its entire history" tropes. We're not all immigrants. Most of us have roots that are multiple generations deep. We don't need grunt brute manual labor anymore like we did in the 19th century. We had dangerous frontiers to be opened and wild territory to be settled. We had trans-continental railroads to build, the erie canal to be dug. We had a civil war that needed canon fodder for the Union army. We had factories of the industrial revolution that needed low paid labor. None of those things hold true now. We are a radically different society and our economic needs are completely different and our immigration policies should reflect the NOW and not some archaic Emma Lazarus poem on the statue of liberty. Stop trying to mask your goal of flooding the country with what you see as future democrat voters behind this phony tugging at our heartstrings with some sense of obligation to a past that was never based on an inherent right of immigrants to flood our shores.

Under the Constitution, the President as Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy is the supreme military commander charged with the responsibility of protecting and defending the United States. We are now the victims of an illegal invasion that is overwhelming our border security. That invasion is being directed by violent drug cartels who are also using it as cover to smuggle illegal drugs incl fentanyl into the US. The latter being used as a WMD by a hostile power (China) to murder as many Americans as possible. We are under an attack like none we've ever seen but it is still an attack and it is wrecking and endangering communities all along our Southern border. It is responsible for the largest cause of death among young people and the vast majority of the illegal aliens will put a terrible strain on our medical and educational resources for decades to come, the burden borne by taxpaying citizens who will not benefit by the illegal's presence. Other presidents tried to protect us against exactly this kind of invasion. Their success was incomplete but they tried. Biden is alone in history as not only not trying to stop it but actively encouraging it through his words and deeds (immediately stopping construction of paid for sections of the wall). Through direct action and negligence he has facilitated this invasion, he approves of it and he is stubbornly refusing to stop it. He should be impeached for dereliction of duty as commander in chief.
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Old 09-26-2022, 08:03 AM
 
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Under the Constitution, the President as Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy is the supreme military commander charged with the responsibility of protecting and defending the United States. We are now the victims of an illegal invasion that is overwhelming our border security.
Nice rant, yet none of that changes the fact that Ronald Reagan signed The Immigration Reform and Control Act in 1986, granting amnesty to upwards of 3M illegal immigrants who had entered the U.S. before 1982.
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Old 09-26-2022, 08:33 AM
 
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The extremism on both sides is beyond sickening.

When Trump was in office that's what the Dems were saying..impeach.

And in both cases...impeach for what ?
It’s always listed in the article.

Impeacment is a political action/opinion………mot a process like in a regular court of law.

Them only opinions that matter are those of the House members who vote on the floor of the House.

Whether you personally think the act at that time is wrong is irrelevant.

Your power is that, if the Rep. of your district votes in a way you dislike on that, vote for someone else in the next election.
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Old 09-26-2022, 08:38 AM
 
Location: Portland OR
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Give us one that would pass Constitutional muster.
One quick example:
President has zero authority to spend money. Only Congress authorizes expenditures.
This pants peeing, old man claims he can spend US money to forgive student loans
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Old 09-26-2022, 08:39 AM
 
Location: Portland OR
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Nice rant, yet none of that changes the fact that Ronald Reagan signed The Immigration Reform and Control Act in 1986, granting amnesty to upwards of 3M illegal immigrants who had entered the U.S. before 1982.
two entirely separate issues.
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Old 09-26-2022, 08:42 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Nice rant, yet none of that changes the fact that Ronald Reagan signed The Immigration Reform and Control Act in 1986, granting amnesty to upwards of 3M illegal immigrants who had entered the U.S. before 1982.
an amnesty written by....Ted Kennedy, who wrote 10 amnesties starting in 1965

and the 1986 amnesty was supposed to be a one and done, and the borders secured...but as usual, the liberals LIED
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Old 09-26-2022, 08:42 AM
 
Location: The Piedmont of North Carolina
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Nice rant, yet none of that changes the fact that Ronald Reagan signed The Immigration Reform and Control Act in 1986, granting amnesty to upwards of 3M illegal immigrants who had entered the U.S. before 1982.
Because the Democrats agreed to fund fencing/a wall for the southern border... which, they did not do...

This is my biggest grip of the Reagan Administration, but just another example of how little the Democratic Party has changed in the last thirty-six years...
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Old 09-26-2022, 08:42 AM
 
Location: Cali
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Nice rant, yet none of that changes the fact that Ronald Reagan signed The Immigration Reform and Control Act in 1986, granting amnesty to upwards of 3M illegal immigrants who had entered the U.S. before 1982.
Not sure what is your point here because Immigration Reform and Comtrol Act was passed by US Congress and signed into law by President Reagan. the Act wasn’t an executive order because you made it sound as if that Act was an EO made by the President
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Old 09-26-2022, 08:48 AM
 
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two entirely separate issues.
Refusal to see the connection is ironic. One of the common reasons people cite to impeach Biden, as repeated in this very thread, is because he allows illegals to come into the U.S.

I pointed out that not only has this occurred under *every* president over the past 50+ years, none of them were impeached for immigration issues. And, in contrast, revered, beloved Reagan, actually passed a bill giving amnesty to nearly 3 million illegals who were already in the country (let's repeat: illegally). No one can hand-wave that away. He did it 36 years ago.

Point? Illegals coming into the U.S. is something that's occurred over decades and isn't an impeachable offense, even if people believe it should be.
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