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Old 09-29-2022, 10:40 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Good4Nothin View Post
A peer reviewed medical article was published today. I am in the middle of reading it, but could not wait to post about it.

The original covid vaccine trial lasted 6 months, and showed a very tiny absolute reduction in risk for the vaccinated subjects. The relative risk reduction was impressive (95%), so that is what the vaccine maker published, of course.

The trial did not consider serious covid disease, only symptomatic infection with positive test.

There were 2 covid deaths in the placebo group, and only one in the vaccine group. But these numbers were to small to be statistically significant.

There were 17 non covid deaths in the placebo group, and 19 in the vaccine group. So MORE subjects died in the vaccine group. But these numbers were also to small to be statistically significant.

So now we can see that the initial trial did NOT show any serious benefit for the vaccine. Yet, it was stopped after 6 months, because it would be "unethical" to deprive the control group of an effective treatment during an emergency pandemic.

This article is by a cardiologist whose 73 year old father died from a heart attack 6 months after a covid vaccine. His father had NO signs of heart disease a few years earlier, and had a very healthy lifestyle. But the autopsy showed complete blockage of some arteries.

The author of this article was shocked by this tragedy and decided to carefully study the vaccines.

So good, truth is starting to leak out about this poison.



https://insulinresistance.org/index....le/view/71/221
Absolute risk reduction isn't the only measure that counts. Relative risk matters in the long run, because eventually everyone gets exposed. But yes, the study has limitations, such as not having a large enough sample for severe illness and death. Which is a reason to look at other studies.

 
Old 09-29-2022, 10:45 AM
 
Location: Western PA
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About your hero Doctor:

Malhotra's views on diet and health have been criticized by the British Heart Foundation as "misleading and wrong", and his public questioning of the need ever to use statins has been condemned as a danger to public health.[10] His "Pioppi diet" was named by the British Dietetic Association as one of the "top 5 worst celeb diets to avoid in 2018".[4] During the COVID-19 pandemic Malhotra published a book called The 21-Day Immunity Plan[11] making claims that following the diet could quickly help people reduce their risk from the virus; such claims are not backed by medical research evidence.[1]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aseem_Malhotra

Sounds like someone to put your confidence in.

I guess if we have to scour the globe to find a negative document about someone we desire to discredit, it wont be hard.



I am reminded of Joe Bastardi...hurricane forecaster for accuweather in state college PA. most reliable ever historically. companies and GOVERNMENTs pay accuweather for forecasting. Met the guy - nice guy. (once applied to do contracting work for the VMS based system and sequel database as I was one of the few left alive in the US that speaks DEC) Fast forward and he refused to take the money or else - he chose or else and was let go because he would not jump on the 'drive suvs and hurricanes increase' stuff. They even vandalized his wiki page. He even publicized the letter advising him to back them or else.



Guess what he does today? he predicts seasons for storms and hurricanes and droughts and locusts and cats and dogs living together for companies and goverments and undercuts accuweather and has more clients.


One of those governments? Ours. We just renewed his contracts for multiple agencies AND the military.


so in one breath the admin talks about 'climate deniers' and in the other breath pays them for their advice.


If we are going to survive, at some point narrative has to drop off and 'science' has to lead again.


Im not optimistic.
 
Old 09-29-2022, 10:47 AM
 
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Absolute risk reduction isn't the only measure that counts. Relative risk matters in the long run, because eventually everyone gets exposed. But yes, the study has limitations, such as not having a large enough sample for severe illness and death. Which is a reason to look at other studies.
If you don't fly on a plane for your entire life, your risk of dying in a plane crash is 0% - this is the maximum possible relative risk reduction. Yet, your absolute risk reduction is still minimal over your entire life - even if you were to fly on a plane everyday - because the odds of a plane crash are so small.
 
Old 09-29-2022, 10:54 AM
 
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Originally Posted by WVNomad View Post
About your hero Doctor:

Malhotra's views on diet and health have been criticized by the British Heart Foundation as "misleading and wrong", and his public questioning of the need ever to use statins has been condemned as a danger to public health.[10] His "Pioppi diet" was named by the British Dietetic Association as one of the "top 5 worst celeb diets to avoid in 2018".[4] During the COVID-19 pandemic Malhotra published a book called The 21-Day Immunity Plan[11] making claims that following the diet could quickly help people reduce their risk from the virus; such claims are not backed by medical research evidence.[1]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aseem_Malhotra

Sounds like someone to put your confidence in.
He [Malhotra] has been brought up before somewhere on CD and some poster brought up the British Heart Foundation as a way to discredit him.

Just out of curiosity, why do you trust the British Heart Foundation? What have they done to earn your trust? Is it because their name makes them sound out to be some none-profit organization dedicated to heart health?

Patient advocacy groups are almost always funded by Pharmaceutical companies to push drugs onto patients. It's much easier to lobby say politicians to approve a toxic drug when it's British Heart Foundation doing the lobbying and not X,Y,Z Pharma company.
 
Old 09-29-2022, 10:57 AM
 
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He [Malhotra] has been brought up before somewhere on CD and some poster brought up the British Heart Foundation as a way to discredit him.

Just out of curiosity, why do you trust the British Heart Foundation? What have they done to earn your trust? Is it because their name makes them sound out to be some none-profit organization dedicated to heart health?

Patient advocacy groups are almost always funded by Pharmaceutical companies to push drugs onto patients. It's much easier to lobby say politicians to approve a toxic drug when it's British Heart Foundation doing the lobbying and not X,Y,Z Pharma company.
How r u doing? Hope everything is going well. Haven’t seen you in a bit.
 
Old 09-29-2022, 10:58 AM
 
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Originally Posted by AfricanSunset View Post
He [Malhotra] has been brought up before somewhere on CD and some poster brought up the British Heart Foundation as a way to discredit him.

Just out of curiosity, why do you trust the British Heart Foundation? What have they done to earn your trust? Is it because their name makes them sound out to be some none-profit organization dedicated to heart health?

Patient advocacy groups are almost always funded by Pharmaceutical companies to push drugs onto patients. It's much easier to lobby say politicians to approve a toxic drug when it's British Heart Foundation doing the lobbying and not X,Y,Z Pharma company.
I don't see anything wrong with Malhotra's diet advice. He just recommends low carb, which is against the old recommendation. And he is absolutely right to warn about statins. Of course mainstream health organizations won't like that, since they are owned by Big Drug.

We should carefully consider his opinions on the covid vaccines.
 
Old 09-29-2022, 11:00 AM
 
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I don't see anything wrong with Malhotra's diet advice. He just recommends low carb, which is against the old recommendation. And he is absolutely right to warn about statins. Of course mainstream health organizations won't like that, since they are owned by Big Drug.

We should carefully consider his opinions on the covid vaccines.
Oh you see, there is something wrong. He advises his patients to eat healthy and stay off Statins. Can't have that, you see. In the 21st century, we believe toxic drugs are necessary for longevity.
 
Old 09-29-2022, 11:07 AM
 
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Oh you see, there is something wrong. He advises his patients to eat healthy and stay off Statins. Can't have that, you see. In the 21st century, we believe toxic drugs are necessary for longevity.
How else would the drug industry continue to increase their wealth and power?

It seems that the philosophy taught in medical school now is that all medical treatments are harmful, and harm must be weighed against benefit.

There is no concept of medical treatments that are natural and healthy and do NOT cause any harm.
 
Old 09-29-2022, 04:03 PM
 
Location: NJ
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Clinical studies by major pharma companies require thousands of patients in a phase 3 study to ensure statistical strength.

Stat Analysis plans must be finalized before the study begins and determine how many subjects/patients are required to show enough statistical power to reach acceptable confidence levels. A clinical protocol is developed hand in hand with the stat analysis plan.

a doctor participating in the study may do an investigator study on limited data for a publication and bolster his reputation in a certain therapeutic area.

Plenty of background details needed to accept findings as valid.

Loss of trust in federal agencies, insurance companies and pharma consorting with the politicians have left science in tatters and indistinguishable from political propaganda.
 
Old 09-29-2022, 04:07 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Kracer View Post
Clinical studies by major pharma companies require thousands of patients in a phase 3 study to ensure statistical strength.

Stat Analysis plans must be finalized before the study begins and determine how many subjects/patients are required to show enough statistical power to reach acceptable confidence levels. A clinical protocol is developed hand in hand with the stat analysis plan.

a doctor participating in the study may do an investigator study on limited data for a publication and bolster his reputation in a certain therapeutic area.

Plenty of background details needed to accept findings as valid.

Loss of trust in federal agencies, insurance companies and pharma consorting with the politicians have left science in tatters and indistinguishable from political propaganda.
It's real easy to confuse the news media, and thereby the public, with torrents of statistics. And medical doctors are just as easily confused. Even experienced researchers can fall for the many deceptions and tricks.

Sometimes it depends on a statistics expert, rather than a medical researcher, to unravel the mess.
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